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    OrangePee reacted to Igor in Need your help - what else beside Etcher   
    Changed. But now we need a big download for our default tool and smaller for optional tool. When user clicks "Tool" on the download, he already expects to download the tool without lecturing about SD cards and finding links in the text ... https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18197267-don-t-make-me-think-revisited
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    OrangePee reacted to lanefu in Need your help - what else beside Etcher   
    added annotation that it may container spyware
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    OrangePee reacted to Igor in Need your help - what else beside Etcher   
    https://docs.armbian.com/Process_Contribute/
    https://github.com/armbian/documentation/blob/master/docs/User-Guide_Getting-Started.md
    also this https://armbian.atlassian.net/browse/AR-213 needs to be integrated
     
    Thank you for your help.
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    OrangePee reacted to Tido in Need your help - what else beside Etcher   
    every windows user has learned over many years of usage - to click-away any warning or pop-up windows.
     
    That said, I don't see any advantage in such a request: 
     
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    OrangePee reacted to Tido in Need your help - what else beside Etcher   
    To get the picture, you have start read here: https://github.com/armbian/documentation/issues/66  and then the first post in this thread. Because I moved the discussion from Github into the forum.
     
    and if you are patient enough to read the above, you understand that it is not because of a tin-foil hat, but  TL;DR to improve the user experience.
    That said we have a section Board doesn't start: https://forum.armbian.com/forum/36-board-doesnt-start/ and in the documentation: https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_Getting-Started/#how-to-prepare-a-sd-card  these weren't there from begin, but if you fly over the topics. You see why we are looking for an automatic fool proof SW
     
    Thank you for the detailed explanation, really interesting, especially the part of Etcher vs memcmp of USBimager. As you see sometimes the reasons are much simpler.
     
    My AMD Ryzen 5 2600 Six-Core, 16GB RAM writes thoes card easily on the fly, as written above in about  60 seconds. I know, not everybody has that, but until last year I had 4GB and Etcher-1.2.1-x86_64.AppImage, it worked flawlessly too.
     
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    OrangePee reacted to legogris in Need your help - what else beside Etcher   
    So, this is how it works (and advance apologies if I misread the conversation and you're talking about something else):
     
    First off, if you want to talk semantics, sha1 is technically a cryptographic hash function, not a checksum algorithm. One could even argue that it's overkill for this use-case and that an algortithm made for checksums, such as CRC, is more appropriate (less secure but by far enough to detect random write or read errors, but more performant).
     
    The data on the card is read, bit-by-bit (well, on a lover level the reads are buffered for performance reasons, but it makes no practical difference otherwise). The data is then put through the sha1 hash function, which produces a 160-bit hash. A single bit being changed produces a completely different hash.
     
    The odds of the hashes matching up in case every single bit doesn't is 1 in ~10^18. For practical purposes, low enough odds to be practically impossible. When we're at those odds, you might as well start thinking about the probability that the read during your verification steps gives you the expected output due to a read error exactly matching the inverse of the write error during the write, RAM errors and cosmic radiation. If you're concerned about well-funded adversaries with a huge dedicated compute cluster deliberately giving you a fake image with the same matching hash, then you might want to look at more cryptographically secure hash functions - in which case replace the `sha1sum` command above with the slower but more secure `sha512sum` (512 bits, or 1 in 10^154). The chances of a collision are small enough that on average, with all the worlds current computing power, we'd be talking millions of years. The number of atoms in the entire universe is believed to be around 10^80. Pick two random atoms in the known universe and the odds of those being the same atom is still vastly higher than SHA-2 producing the same hash after a write error.
     
    TLDR; For your purposes, if the checksum validates, so does the written data (given that the checksum verification here is made between data read back from the written card vs the source file and not just between the source file and a website). Etcher did CRC32 until 2018, and is now on SHA512. Looking at the source, usbimager actually reads back the source and the target into memory and does a memcmp (straight-up byte-by-byte comparison): https://gitlab.com/bztsrc/usbimager/-/blob/master/src/main_libui.c#L147
    These are all valid approaches, only caveat with the last one being that you need to be able to fit 2x the image size into RAM during the validation
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    OrangePee got a reaction from Tido in Need your help - what else beside Etcher   
    This it what usbimager does if I interpret the docs right
     
     
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    OrangePee got a reaction from Tido in Need your help - what else beside Etcher   
    For me it show's only removable flash drives (on a linux host). Sounds like a #issue to me? There was a (already fixed in 1.0.3) https://gitlab.com/bztsrc/usbimager/-/issues/10 bug in the mac version which listed a internal drive. As you a on windows 10 @Werner it would be very nice if you open a bug report here: https://gitlab.com/bztsrc/usbimager/-/issues an drop your logs with it. Should be thing of a couple of minutes and you could save at least 1 billion of windows users who would like to write a image to the wrong drive and blame others for it 
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    OrangePee reacted to Tido in Need your help - what else beside Etcher   
    ahh, finally someone. My Tower only hosts Linux.
     
    Did you read the short, but interesting  Documentation  maybe this situation is mentioned already. Because in Linux, as I wrote above does this work.
     
     
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    OrangePee reacted to Igor in Need your help - what else beside Etcher   
    I say we go and change the recommendation to USBImager and leave Etcher there as "also usable, but includes spyware"  
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    OrangePee reacted to Tido in Need your help - what else beside Etcher   
    I installed it and let everything as it is. Two things I don't like:
    1a. To start flashing or writing, the button says in german: Ausschreiben (terrible translation),  just 'Schreiben'  would be much better
    1b. When it finished it says. Done. Picture (Bild) written successfully instead of 'Abbild'.  I wonder if a human did the translation.
    2. It doesn't remember the window size. It is good it starts small, but I have 24" and I like to see the path-to-the-folder I am about to write.
     
    It lists the right devices: I attached an USB-Stick and an SDcard and only these two I was able to choose
    And finally, it wrote the Kubuntu 20.04  2,3Gb within 1 min and this inlcudes the writing-verification to my understanding   2300/60 = 38MB/s  
    Aside from being fast, Zero-Load on the CPU
     
    In opposite to Etcher, it is not ejected at the end of the process. Well, if USBImager ensures proper termination of the process it shouldn't harm if the user unplugs it before ejecting it.
     
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    OrangePee reacted to Tido in Need your help - what else beside Etcher   
    I learned about Etcher and the writing verification from TK and since I still use: etcher-1.2.1-x86_64.AppImage    based on their release page in the year 2017.  I will now start to use/test USBimager, I read the manual and it sounds just good.
     
    I hope you help us testing too?
     
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    OrangePee reacted to NicoD in Need your help - what else beside Etcher   
    I never stop testing.
     
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    OrangePee got a reaction from Tido in Need your help - what else beside Etcher   
    Newest Version 1.0.2 has this automatically turned on 
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    OrangePee reacted to NicoD in Armbian on "M8S Plus W" (905W without microSD)   
    I bought it to play around with. Nothing of imprortance. It was the cheapest I ever found. 18.70euro for 2GB 16GB eMMC delivered at home. 
    I can made a video on what is possibe with it. I bought the X96Air and loved it. But gave it away as new years gift for my nephew. So I could use another Anrdoid box. 
    Its got Mali450, so it might work with Lima in Armbian. 
    There are no nice new SBCs I want, so I've got to find something to play with. Didn't get a PineBookPro or OPi4. I'd rather have played around with those.
    I only see the RockPiX of importance that's coming. It's gonna be a long wait for higher performing ARM SoCs than S922X. Maybe a half year or more.
     

    I bought it to have an Android device to learn how others use android. I truly hate working with it, but so many others are only interested in Android. To grow my following I can try going that way too. It is good for gaming and media. 
    Having Armbian on it is not needed for me, but would be nice to do my benchmarks. I've got way better boards for Armbian. 

    I'd rather also buy a S922X TV-Box with 4GB ram and 64GB eMMC. Found some good choices, but couldn't decide. If you know of a good cheap model. Its to do video editing and rendering. The N2 lacks in its cpu performance vs the VIM 3 while vim3 has too litle ram with 2GB. So anything with the CPU of vim3 and 4GB ram would be just perfect for me.
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    OrangePee reacted to noname4public in Armbian on "M8S Plus W" (905W without microSD)   
    Interesting piece of hardware!
     
    I just ordered for $17.70 including shipping the 2G/16G version (including the case, sure because it's a TV box, power plug, hdmi cable and a remote).
     
    The bang for bugs is already amazing.
     
    I hope it will run at least a *elec thing, maybe one day also armbian could work.
     
    From reviews I read so far it should be really a S905W - for the WiFi I have no idea. In the worst case a USB WiFi/ethernet will fix it.
     
    The running Android should be prerooted and without bloat/spyware. This should be already a big plus.
     
     
    Intact this is my first SBC (it's a TV box, I know) with more than 1Gb of ram: I am excited!
     
    I'm not a robot
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    OrangePee reacted to Tido in Censorship 2020   
    In conclusion:
    - you allowed someone to attack you - You allowed that - You could have simply ignore the post
    - by allowing this offense and reacting on it, you spent energy and minutes if not hours  of your valuable time !
    - you can close a negative webbrowser tab, take a deep breath and count to ten. Stand up, stretch take a deep breath and do what you like . But use your time wisely, it won't come back. These minutes/hours are gone
     
    Now create a .txt file on your desktop. Copy these lines in it and next time you feel attacked, re-read it  or paste it in the forum instead for others before you close the tab.
     
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    OrangePee reacted to chwe in Censorship 2020   
    feel free
     
    even the last one didn't bother me.. but in case you want that people take you serious something *less creative* might work better.. explore your creativity where it's worth it and that might not be forum name nicknames..
     
    well that could be a field of your research not? How much he contributed to get armbian running on all those tv boxes no other dev even looks at. I don't think this subforum would even exist without him maintaining it more or less on his own. If you show up again with actual research done not only trying to convince others that they should do the research for you write me a pm an I'll happily reopen your thread.
     
    it's good to value your own time and how you spend it, therefore upon proven otherwise, I just decided to no longer waste my time in answering to your posts..
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    OrangePee reacted to chwe in Censorship 2020   
    well that one escalated quickly.. and due to all the notifications popping up I had to follow most of the crap happened here.. And first before I even try to sum this up. I suppose you change your nick immediately to something else.
     
    You started with a thread about a dirt cheap TV box which you already bought and then tried to convince others to buy it as well cause it's cheap and somehow in the hope armbian will run on it.. This one got deleted by @TRS-80 . Which might be an overreaction. Depending on how you read the rules he had the right to do it.. I would probably just moved it to TV boxes so that it get read by the right persons namely @balbes150 who more or less maintains 'armbian on TV boxes' on his own. Most others doing development are for good reasons not interested in TV boxes (even with schematics it's mostly a pain if things like a proper DT don't exist from the vendor.. But instead of trying to get this in a better shape you tried to find every possible sub-forum to tell everyone that you're pissed-off that he deleted your first post here and there.. since he set you back that everything must be approved it just bloated my messegeboard more with stuff I actually have no passion to deal with.. After seeing that you bloat around everywhere, it was probably the right decision to revoke your post right upon approval by a moderator.. I'm not a fan of such actions cause it's just more work for me to approve x posts more per day..
     
    A small hint the few bucks you spend for an SBC or for TV box is nothing compared to the $ you spend for support. If balbes thinks it's not even worth to have a briefer look at a box he will have likely good reasons for that (I don't even waste my time for TV boxes anymore.. you don't know what you get, things can change cause the vendor runs out of something and replaces it with something else e.g. another wifi chip other ram other whatever he runs out... and then he has to deal with the fall out of that cause people show up here that their similar looking TV box doesn't work as expected). Who will then dive into it to fix it? Will you be around and fixing all this stuff? Or is it then up to him to explain the new users that "this batch works" and this batch doesn't cause component x changed and there's no support for it? It's mostly the second.. And why should he do that for a TV box he's not interested in at all? He answered quite polite that it's a boring TV box he's not interested in.. After that you tried to convince that this is somehow valuable for armbian for whatever reason. I don't think it is.. people here around know that the W905 variants are mostly well supported in the kernel a well supported SoC doesn't give you a well supported TV box/SBC.. As you both figured out the only network connection on this board is crap and due to limited other options (only 2 USB2 every other possibility e.g. attaching network over USB will limit a limited TV box even more making it a wasted 18$ for everyone who buys this box based on that thread in the hope that enough pressure on balbes will convince him to look at it). And that around a time you didn't even tried to get your research done if and how this thing can be re-flashed, that might be your starting point https://lmgtfy.com/?q=amlogic+s905+firmware+update+over+USB ) and then from the picture:

    you see on the right side VCC RX TX GND? that's likely your debug UART and 'most likely' it's 3V or 3v3 so setting up your debug UART see what comes out use google or bing or whatever searchengine you prefer. so that you get a clue what is there if people already did something with the bootloader there or a similar one (if it's u-boot and you can interrupt it printenv gives you some nice hints) post your finding and your guesses and maybe someone will give you a hint here and there how you should progress. That would show @balbes150 that you're actually interested in doing something not just soak up his time, maybe not cause I think he has enough valid points to declare this box as a waste of time.. And the TV box subforum is still a forum about armbian on TV boxes not elec"something" on TV boxes.. If you want that ask the guys there to support your new paperweight maybe they're willing maybe they're not - that's then their decision. But except the confirmation that there's a crap wifi IMO your thread provided nothing of value to armbian. Well at least those involved in the whole TV boxes stuff now can honestly say that you shouldn't buy this one if someone asks for advice which TV box he should buy (and if you want something which works without much pain it's a good idea to do your research first and then buy).
     
    Why should it get deleted? Maybe cause it's not about censorship here? If this would be about censorship we would have deleted your account all your posts and it would look like you were never here. That's censorship.. Locking a discussion where everything is said and all needed persons made clear that support for it wont happen isn't. It's just keeping the forum somehow readable. Tagging randomly people to waste their time as well is just bad taste. If Igor thinks that someone acted not the way it is acceptable he would already made this clear. Moderator rights already got revoked if someone didn't had a common sense how he should act like.. Was everything perfect ofc not -  or at least I would maybe solved things different, but mistakes happen and from what I saw no major mistake happened.. You got your thread back after things clarified even the restrictions got revoked. The only stuff which is 'censored' from you is where you entered a thread which was used by proved spammers to get the first mod approval just to bloat the forum after its with spam IMO that whole thread can go to trash cause it doesn't add any value to armbian but let others decide that. And your answers there honestly were just a try to make people angry so that you get a reaction nothing of value for ambian as well.. just another thread which wastes peoples time.
     
    So if you really wanna do some research (this here got the research tag removed by myself cause it's ranting not research) you could spend some time to get something out of your paperweight and see how far you get. likely this time is better spent as starting another discussion about random claims and insults to people here. Even when I think balbes is right and this box is a waste of time, it might be a good one to learn things on your own instead of pushing other people to do the work for you. And even when not.. at least you only wasted your time and not everyone else' time.
     
     
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    OrangePee reacted to Igor in Help on forum moderating   
    Forum is getting messy and I am getting more and more complains about. Traffic is going up and we / people are always prone to seek shortcuts. Its already enough that just a few people are posting wrong content at wrong location that forum gets a bad smell. Personally I and those few active moderators can't do more than we already do. We already use all possible technical equipment to limit the spam, but merging/moving wrongly posted topics can't be done by AI. At least not today.

    Please, take a look - all is written there - and apply:
    In case you truly want to contribute to this community as a moderator but you don't have enough days or posts require for nomination, please say something at this post.
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    OrangePee reacted to Saurabh in ARMBIAN for Amlogic S905 and S905X (ver 5.44 =<)   
    Hi,
     
    Can anyone provide me Armbian_5.41.1_S9xxx_Ubuntu_xenial_3.14.29_mate_20180421.img version image? Or any other image which has ssv6051 Wifi module.
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    OrangePee reacted to Rajesh in ARMBIAN for Amlogic S905 and S905X (ver 5.44 =<)   
    I am looking for an image which has ssv6051 Wifi module. Looks like there are other folks here looking for that as well. Can some provide a download link?
     
    Thanks
    Rajesh
     
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    OrangePee reacted to hexdump in Armbian on "M8S Plus W" (905W without microSD)   
    btw. i doubt that the initially mentioned box really has 2g/16g at this price - see my other posting about fake tv boxes here - i guess it will be 1g/8g maybe even nand instead of emmc if you are unlucky - all this with a hacked up android letting it look like 2g/16g so that a normal user will not recognize it ...