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I wonder if you're deep enough into intercultural differences to understand anything? At least I'm not and I consider many things that happen in China as a miracle (and I would suspect that's the same regarding us Westerners when looking at us from China).
You should be aware that you're not an Allwinner customer and that this whole SBC thing is close to irrelevant for them. The vast majority of their customers produces Android devices and Allwinner supports them as much as they can. Compared to this large Android market the count of Allwinner SoCs used with Linux is laughable (even if you consider customers like Olimex that order tens of thousands for boards used in industrial environment).
Considering this I even understand that Open Source proponents inside Allwinner might have a hard time. But it seems there are some since they do release their kernel sources (even if there are some BLOBs inside). Please keep in mind: This whole issue has been discovered since we were able to audit the code (different story is that they could help us with better commit logs and so on but at least looking through nearly all code is possible).
I really hope that this incident doesn't stop Allwinner opening even more code (with useable licenses and not just "All rights reserved") since even if the Linux market seems to be small/irrelevant they get so much back from linux-sunxi community (better code, mainline kernel code and also a better reputation since most older Allwinner SoCs run perfectly fine with mainline kernel due to community's work. And support for the most recent ones is progressing nicely. An Armbian image with mainline kernel for H3 boards is not that far away since linux-sunxi community does such a great coding job!).
So let's stop speculating/badmouthing and hope for the best instead!
A little thought springs to mind, if I take Aliexpress Orange Pi boards for sale figures and add Banana Pi sale figures, friendlyarm, Olinuxino on just H3 soc that is growing tens of thousands extra sales of H3 soc above and beyond Android use in TV box, Dongle and Tablets.
So if these customer buy a extra 70,000 H3 socs is that still a small market to ignore compared to Android millions of sales. Allwinner states the company culture is
With the mission of “improving the life quality through value innovationâ€, Allwinner is always in pursuit of excellence to make a sustainable industry leader.
Allwinner always sticks to the corporation value of "market-orientation, integrity and responsibility, great execution, courage and discipline, profession and quality, openness and win-win, and persistence", and insists the corporation culture of "teamwork, honest and respect, profession and fairness, faith, openness and curiosity".
http://www.allwinnertech.com/en/about/culture.htm
Time only has the answer.
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I wonder if a miracle will happen and Allwinner learn software support to customers is good business?
Titanic might float again first, I suspect.
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Illegitimi non carborundum
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@tkaiser
How can these board makers add fast Sata, they all seem to use slow Sata solutions, do we know why?
Also as mad as it sounds would not a high speed USD to storage solution not be better than these slow on board Sata solutions?
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No - you are just not reading and comprehending. You were asking for beginner's advice on Linux and SBCs, but instead of learning and doing you started to flood forums with unquoted googled spam and unsollicited marketing hype. Armbian is doing an excellent job in sorting out the mess and actually providing sound workable solutions.
That is a complete lie
I don't market or spam and I provide links to quotes I use. While yourself Rodolfo constantly attack people on here and on Orange Pi Org.
Igor has said both Orange Pi Xunlong software and Orange Pi users have been good to Armbian but all you do is post bitter posts and belittle people on Orange Pi Org.
I share my learning experience and get many thank you messages from other new usersusers, for not ignorently talking down to them, on Orange Pi Org. A forum I use because I owned a Pi One, sold to buy a Pi PC and have orderd a few Pi Lite. I believe in users helping each other not keyboard warriors attacking people and belittling people while on the internet, such folk I do it back to, let them taste their own behaviour. Some willingly forget they was new to Linux once too.
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And Gentoo, OpenSuSE, CentOS, Fedora and maybe a few hundred other Linux distro variants that might run on armhf/arm64 hardware. What's this whole thread about?
BTW: Armbian is different. It's not just another boring Linux distro (since then you could also use the plain Debian or Ubuntu stuff) but it's an automated build system capable to use Debian/Ubuntu and the images created in the end are the result of developing this build system over the years combined with a lot of knowledge regarding 'how to do it right'.
You won't have fun with this small ARM boards if not every detail here and there matches perfectly. And that's what Igor started with and what the Armbian team still tried to provide.
Basically three parts are involved: bootloader stuff (currently that's proprietary SoC specific bootloader stuff + u-boot, later we might have to deal with UEFI on aarch64), the kernel and the rootfs containing a Linux distro. The last part is the most irrelevant/boring one, the two former are way more important. As an example: sometimes kernel stuff won't work if hardware isn't initialized correctly already by u-boot and so on. That's what Armbian is about: Doing things right. And the distro used is close to irrelevant (the Armbian build system currently also allows to replace the whole OS distro in the last step with some other armhf/arm64 Linux rootfs -- somewhat weird but it works and would in many cases provide superiour results compared to 'original ARM Linux images')
Non really just me going on with myself and naively wishing more projects could work together for the better community. There are software and kernal differences but they are all Arm Soc's. How many times is the wheel reinvented unintentionally, could projects share the learning curves?
I am to naive in my hopes.
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What troubles me is the majority of brain-dead comments there and the fact that people post links to articles they don't read/understand. Did you realize that the very first link in the arstechnica article is http://forum.armbian.com/index.php/topic/1108-security-alert-for-allwinner-sun8i-h3a83th8/-- obviously not.
Just to spread the word: It only affects H3/A83T, it's not a backdoor, it happened intentionally to debug stuff (and maybe also to provide an easy way to root Android devices -- normally the first thing Android users ask for) and it's a good lesson why relying on vendor kernels is not the best idea.
@tkaiser
Hope you don't mind a noob to Linux saying that is a very honest informative reply you give.
Looking back at recent Linux history reminds us that security is a ongoing work and never stands still.
Edited by theguyuk at 2016-5-12 03:54
Looking back in recent history reminds us it is not only Orange Pi that has had security problems
Michael Mimoso January 19, 2016 , 7:47 am A patch for a critical Linux kernel flaw, present in the code since 2012, is expected to be pushed out today. The vulnerability affects versions 3.8 and higher, said researchers at startup Perception Point who discovered the vulnerability. The flaw also extends to two-thirds of Android devices, the company added.
See more at: Serious Linux Kernel Vulnerability Patched https://wp.me/p3AjUX-u9J
May 5, 2016 , 8:00 am
Five-Year-Old Android Flaw Exposes SMS, Call Historyby Michael Mimoso
Categories: Mobile Security, Vulnerabilities
A five-year-old privilege escalation vulnerability in Android disclosed today affects hundreds of different device models going back to Jelly Bean 4.3.
April 18, 2016 , 2:11 pm
3.2 Million Servers Vulnerable to JBoss Attackby Tom Spring
Categories: Cryptography, Hacks, Malware,Vulnerabilities, Web Security
Cisco Talos said that 3.2 million servers are vulnerable to the JBoss flaw used as the initial point of compromise in the recent SamSam ransomware attacks.
February 22, 2016 , 12:00 pm
Linux Mint Website Hacked, ISOs Replaced with Backdoored Versionsby Chris Brook
Categories: Hacks, Malware
Attackers managed to hijack the website of Linux Mint to push a backdoored ISO version of the software to users over the weekend.
February 16, 2016 , 12:00 pm
Critical glibc Vulnerability Puts All Linux Machines at Riskby Michael Mimoso
Categories: Vulnerabilities, Web Security
A critical vulnerability in glibc, the GNU C library, affects all Linux machines and many web frameworks, opening the door to remote code execution.
January 27, 2015 , 12:55 pm
GHOST glibc Remote Code Execution Vulnerability Affects All Linux Systemsby Michael Mimoso
Categories: Vulnerabilities, Web Security
A critical remote code execution vulnerability in the GNU C library glibc affects all Linux systems going back to 2000.
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Also Archlinux
https://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=33
Guess I am naive hoping all these versions/flavours of Linux could pull/work together but they all have different aims approaches.
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I have also found a website with Alpine Linux which mentions Nanopi m1 and Orange Pi PC
DIY Fully working Alpine Linux for Allwinner and Other ARM SOCs
THIS WORKS - TESTED
This is taken from multiple sources and is copyright of the respective authors. If you are an author of a particular section and wish to be listed please dont hesitate to contact me at oneinsect@gmail.com. I hereby declare I have absolutely no rights over this material and in due course of time, you will find proper references. No time at the moment
You can also contact me at atlury@gmail.com
https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/DIY_Fully_working_Alpine_Linux_for_Allwinner_and_Other_ARM_SOCs
Hope I am not upsetting anyone posting the info and link ..
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Olimex A20-OLinuXino-LIME2-eMMC Board Replaces NAND by eMMC Flash for Better Performance & Reliability
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Another flavour of Arm Linux.
FatdogArm is a port of Fatdog64 to the ARM platform. Currently in Beta release, it is based on Fatdog64 and thus shares much of Fatdog64 features. Like Fatdog64, FatdogArm is intended for desktop-style operations but on the lower-cost ARM-based systems.
FatdogArm currently was originally built on A10/Mele A1000 hardware, although it can be easilyadapted for other platforms. These days, FatdogArm is known to run is A20/Cubieboard, Odroid-U2, Odroid-U3, OLPC XO-1.75, OLPC XO-4 Touch, Pandora, Cubox-i i2, Cubox-i i4pro, and Google Nexus7 2012.
The porting process of FatdogArm (for Alpha version) is described in details here.
FatdogArm features:
- Small (less than 300MB at the moment)
- Comes with applications for day-to-day use, such as:
- Web browser (Seamonkey browser - which uses identical code base as Firefox)
- Universal email client (Seamonkey Mail)
- Versatile media player (Xine)
- Word processing (Abiword)
- Spreadsheet (Gnumeric)
- PDF/PS/Djvu reader (Evince)
- Graphics editor (mtpaint)
- Printing system (CUPS)
- Remote connection clients (VNC, SSH)
- Text editor - IDE (Geany)
Wonder if this and Armbian share similar aims or ability to inspire ideas in each other? They are both Arm Linux aimed are the developers working on similiar shared problems ? Could they share and learn from each others work?
Good, bad idea?
- HTML editor (Seamonkey Composer)
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Thank you for taking the time to reply.
I should point out I have a Orange Pi PC, have had a Orange Pi One. Did download the Orange Pi version of Banana Pi Raspbian but it over uses the cores on a Orange Pi PC if you start iceweasel ( Firefox ).
I am of that age I used Dos, Atari FM, Sinclair Spectrum and Sinclair ZX81. To me Linux is just a command line OS like Dos was back in intel 386 CPU days, so it does not bother, it just seems backward as a desktop environment.
I do get that it allows it to be free and configured how the user wants, ideal for headless use and none desktop environments. Very good for technical uses.
I hope Armbian becomes eventually the Raspbian of multi core Arm PC world and used in education so more children and beginners can learn on Armbian enabled single board computers. Instead of the out of date Raspbian. Why educate kids on a system board that cannot even run Android, it is used on so many Phones, Tablets and TV boxes, Dongles, so why blind kids to its existence like Raspberry Pi does.
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Being a Windows and Android casual user these days, the days of plugging a motherboard, soundcard, graphics card, installing eide drives is in my long ago past. I want to learn Linux basics and just found a site called.Linux Survival
Anyone recommend any other good places to learn Linux from and focused at the casual home user?
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Does Armbian Kernel support aufs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufs
I was wondering if FatDog a Arm version of Puppy Linux could be built by someone using Armbian as the base.
I started a thread conversation on Puppy Linux forum.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=902082#902082
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I have no kindness toward RPI due to their bullying attitude by staff and mods on their official forum. They also lie with Upton claiming he was happy for other to make RPI inspired boards as it was all about promoting education and hardware building, yet when others start building their own boards RPI fan boys attack them for riding on RPI coat tails.
Leave RPI to their own old single core code is my attitude.
On the topic of Armbian I hope Igor and tkaiser won't mind me saying I hope Armbian developes to be the ARM based distro of choice and useable by the clueless ( as I am a clueless Linux noobie ). I hope Armbian gets to the stage where children and users can use it for education just as open software for single board computers should be.
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Well unless it is a problem in Chrome browser on my Android M8 ( S802) TV box, when I just tried the resources tab on Orange Pi Org the downloads, github, wiki links are not working. Wonder if with security problem they have been disabled?
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Do they know who designed the problem in the kernal?
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Agreed, I think that the hardware vendors should sponsor projects such as this one, which will benefit not only them but the community as a whole
I read that Orange Pi gave some boards to the people working on Chrome OS and I even posted about it on Orange Pi forum. Do Orange Pi communicate at all with Armbian?
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Noobie interested in learning the simple basics of how single board computers are built?
While I have a Orange Pi, have bought a cheap China made Ardunio, with header and USB cable with delivery for under 3 quid ( mad how they do these pieces 😀) and just starting to learn as a maker.
I want to learn more basics about how these SBC board work, are built, but I am not technically trained. Years ago I could put a Windows machine together from boards, parts and install operating system.
So does anyone know a good forum to ask questions and read up on SBC boards in easy to understand English language.
I would love to know how they design the GPIO and connect it to the SOC but do not know a place to ask such questions.
Any suggestions?
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Yet another crowd funding hopeful
MiQi is a $35 single-board computer with Rockchip RK3288
Looking for a credit card-sized computer with a quad-core, ARM-based processor and only have $35 to spend? You could opt for the Raspberry Pi 3. But another option is on the way.
The MiQi is the same size and price as a Raspberry Pi 3, but this little single-board computer/developer board features a Rockchip processor, up to 32GB of built-in storage, Gigabit Ethernet, and a few other features that help set it apart.
http://liliputing.com/2016/04/miqi-is-a-35-single-board-computer-with-rockchip-rk3288.html
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Thank for explaining it tkaiser ☺
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I was reading the Orange Pi forum and someone in a topic conversation asked why not use a USB for power to a Orange Pi board.
I am not smart enough to know why but did find a good explanation of USB online when searchingthe internet.
Hope Armbian don't mind me sharing it here as I think it is informative for other novices like me and helps understand USB.
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Just saw this mentioned on Orange Pi forum and had not heard of it, from name nanopi m1 I assumed it was a version of Banana Pi but on looking this and other boards are made by Friendlyarm.
Wonder if armbian will get ported over ? Shame these companies don't cover armbians cost to do so .
http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=109
Also other SOC boards they make, all good for customer and more Single board computer competition.
http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=69
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Now I am going off my memory but if I recall right someone on a thread on RPI forum said the over heating sensor is in the GPU on a RPI 3.
Hope it helps.
There is some talk of will fitting a expansion board or a hat foul a heatsink or fan, 20 mm was mentioned. Is their sufficient airflow in a RPI 3 case needs considering too. Still don't think boiling to a 100 + on and off repeatedly is good for electronics. Remove the fan or heat sink on products designed to have then and failure starts to creep in.
Passive heatsink cooling on a graphics card springs to mind. Remove that and over time the card dies.
The Orange Pi as I understand ( not sure if true ) H3 soc was designed for 1.2GHZ not the over clocked 1.6 quoted, at 1.6GHZ best fit cooling. (As I say I might be wrong on this).
What shocks me most is RPI always claim the high ground and being professionals who test products, but yet again we see customers being used as unpaid testers debuggers of hardware, software settings. Still say Karma come home on RPI 3.
Thank you for your informative insight as usual tkaiser.
[NanoPi M3] Cheap 8 core (35$)
in Beginners
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I have 2 Nano Pi M3 been here over 2 weeks, I know nothing about Linux and done nothing with one yet as been busy else where.
Quick easy delivery though.
Comments on crappy kernal ported forward, read.