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  1. It would have been nice at least to keep the mention that the device Balbes was talking about was the X96 Max, that's not specific to any store and it's just a board with a supported SoC (S905X3), otherwise his post becomes confusing or misleading since it's a different hardware from the one posted above.
  2. Please note, my build farm is used for cross-compiling only. I used to do native builds 20 years ago, and after having been hit several times by accidental dependencies on the build host, I stopped and am always cross-compiling nowadays, even when doing x86 on x86. That's why I can use whatever host is available for the build farm. My build farm at home is heterogeneous, it's made of the armv8 boards above, one armv7 board (odroid xu4) and sometimes some x86 hosts when the devices are up. So yes, I'm a huge proponent of cross-compiling.
  3. I understood as well that HK got their hands on the blob part and were able to figure the highest stable frequency they could use. I don't know how this blob is used but definitely without it you won't go above 1.5 GHz.
  4. Use sales@, I've used it several times and it works. Oh and put a link to the discussion in this forum so that they know you're not just doing random stuff but are actually using their boards fine. I wouldn't be surprised if they're used to receive an occasional complaint from people who just accidently erase their micro-SD and cry for help.
  5. OK, good luck! Note, you may want to contact FriendlyElec before putting the board into the oven to let them know that one of your boards seems to be dead and let them know what you've tried and that you're planning on trying the oven. Maybe they'll simply want to send you a replacement one and will ask for this one to be sent back there for inspection. They've already sent me some replacement hardware for early defects, they're really nice.
  6. You should try to connect a serial adapter to its console port to see if it emits anything at boot. If it doesn't, it's probably dead. If it emits random errors which differ upon every boot, it could be the RAM which became defective. This happened to me on a few boards in the past, and on one of the MIQIs on my build farm. It is also possible that a solder joint has gone bad under a BGA chip. That's the most common failure cause in modern hardware (especially smartphones). It's even worse with RoHS and lead-free because lead-free tin is less elastic and breaks more easily. I've repaired a few
  7. I never had such an issue, but I never plugged HDMI into it either, so it's hard to say if anything is related. If it fails to boot, I'd suggest it's not related to the software/distro so you'd better ask FriendlyElec directly in case they'd be aware of any stability issue or a workaround for what you're seeing. Note, be careful about the power supply, especially if it's shared between all boards. It could be possible that when they're all rebooting, the PSU doesn't cope nicely with the sudden current rush and provides too low a voltage to the boards.
  8. Hi, So I finally found some time to pick the file form the board, sorry for the delay, was busy on other stuff. I verified the temperature thresholds. First alert is at 113, second at 115 and critical is at 120. The file includes one extra DVFS entry for 1600 MHz at 1.25V. I didn't find any other difference compared to the factory dtb. For those landing here from a search engine without preliminary context, this works for my board and is very likely to fry yours, so don't randomly try this file at all, or don't complain! s5p6818-nanopi3-rev05.1g6-1v25-113deg.dtb
  9. Hehe, that doesn't change my opinion of this standard which is only useful to build development boards and nothing looking even remotely like a usable prototype. The small form factor only exposes useless stuff and the large one requires access to both sides, thus imposing an enclosure size. But for development I'm totally fine with the EE form factor as it provides a rich set of connectors and standards in a reasonable size.
  10. Confirmed, from memory I just added a line with "1600000 1250000". Mine is ultra-stable even with 8 cores at full speed. It happens to throttle a little bit from time to time because the heat cannot escape easily from the cardboard enclosure, but that's all. From what I remember from the datasheet, the chip is designed to run at 1.6 GHz, that's why I picked this frequency. I also modified the thermal triple points because I don't want the machine to throttle quickly, I seeked the limits on mine and set the points slightly below. I can upload the file later if some want it. It's just that
  11. I thought they were two different names for the same upcoming board, with various intermediary designs. But you're right, the NEO4 is even smaller than the M4! So yes that makes sense, it's a single channel RAM. Then I think I'm more interested in the M4. However if they made a complete aluminum enclosure like they recently did with the NEO/NEO2 with the buttons and OLED, it could be very tempting to get one as well for about everything you can do with a machine lying in your computer bag!
  12. I just checked the Wiki and it's clearly written dual-channel for the RAM regardless of the size, so we have 64 bits.
  13. @tkaiser I totally agree with you. I'm checking every morning on their site while drinking my first coffee if it's available or not! While I'm not *that* much impressed by RK3399, it's still a pretty good SoC, and this combined with FE's documentation and thermal design should bring something really nice. I'm just wary of the 32-bit memory, we'll have to see once it's available. I can understand their choice given the small size of the board though.
  14. What you can do is increase the 2nd argument, it's the number of loops you want to run. At 1000 you can miss some precision. I tend to use 100000 on medium-power boards like nanopis. On the clearfog at 2 GHz, "mhz 3 100000" takes 150ms. This can be much for your use case. It reports 1999 MHz. With 1000 it has a slightly larger variation (1996 to 2000). Well, it's probably OK at 10000. I took bad habits on x86 with intel_pstate taking a while to start. Maybe you should always take a small and a large count in your tests. This would more easily show if there's some automatic frequenc
  15. Please note that the operating points is usually fed via the DT while the operating frequency is defined by the jumpers on the board. It's very possible that the DT doesn't reference the correct frequencies here. From what I've apparently seen till now, the Armada 38x has limited ability to do frequency scaling, something like full speed or half speed possibly. When I was running mine at 1.6 GHz, I remember seeing only 1600 or 800 being effectively used. I didn't check since I upgraded to 2 GHz (well 1.992 to be precise) but I suspect I'm now doing either 2000 or 1000 and nothing else. Thus if
  16. Oh I definitely agree and that's what I was thinking as well in the case an RPi enclosure was used : cover all the bottom with a 1mm thick aluminum plate that will radiate the heat through the plastic over all this surface. After all my cardboard-made npi-fire3 enclosure is not far from this :-) BTW I wasn't aware of the FLIRC case at all.
  17. Absolutely, and this factor is impacted by current (derived from voltage) and temperature. That's why what matters for stability is to find the proper operation conditions. Overclocking in a place where the ambien temperature can vary by 10 degrees can cause big problems. Same for those who undervolt to reduce heat because signals raise softly and degrade as well, or who use too small a heatsink. That said with nowadays software quality you often face a software bug many more times than hardware bit flips :-)
  18. It definitely is one, the size and shape leave no doubt about it. I'm also seeing some symmetric lines routed to the GPIO2 connector, maybe it's USB2 that's brought there. Maybe even PCIe (though I doubt PCIe works fine on such large connectors since it requires very low capacitance). I do also appreciate a lot the CPU on the correct side. Those who complain about the inability to use a heatsink in an RPi enclosure are also the ones not planning on using one anyway if it were on the other side Also, very likely the other side will feature the DDR4 chips, and it will s
  19. This is exactly why there are people like us who dissect products and push them to their limits so that end users don't have to rely on marketing nor salesmen but on real numbers reliably measured by third party who don't have any interest in cheating. Regarding your point about Tj and lifetime, you're totally right, and in general it's not a problem for people who overclock because if they want to get a bit more speed they won't keep the device for too long once it's obsolete. Look at my build farm made out of MiQi boards (RK3288). The Rockchip kernel by default limits the fr
  20. By the way if we start to be numerous to buy the board, it may finally become incentive for someone to design a 3D printed enclosure. I'd prefer a metal one with a thermal pad serving as a heat sink at the same time, but I'd be happy with anything better than cardboard+duct tape...
  21. Any "correct" USB power supply delivering more than 1.5A under 5V will work, though you'll have to make you own cable or to solder the wires. But with good quality USB cables, it will also work via the micro-USB port, because the current drawn by this board is not *that* high. I even power mine from a USB3 connector of my laptop which delivers about 1.6A (it's over spec and that's great for this use case). You really need to test. Some reported 1.2A under 5V. It's only 33% higher than the regular USB3 limit (900mA) and may actually work fine with most PCs or chargers due to large enough margin
  22. I'm pretty sure it depends on a number of parameters. Mine starts to throttle at 113 degrees C because I found that it works fine till 120 and I don't want it to throttle for no reason. In your case for a cluster it will be difficult to test all boards and check that they're running fine over time. But it can also be valuable. I seem to remember reading 90 degrees max in the datasheet so that could be a good start but it's very close to the existing limits. I don't know if the stability of your workloads is critical or if you can take the risk to see one board hang once in a while to find the
  23. Well, all these multi-port chargers never deliver up to the amount they claim. You can safely expect 50 to 66% though, which is not bad overall. I removed the current limit detection in mine to stabilize the output for the MiQi farm. That said, I never managed to pull more than 1.6A in peak from my Fire3 at 1.6 GHz under 1.25V, so you have some headroom I guess. You need to consider that when the board is hot, its DC-DC regulators' efficiency starts to drop and to turn the current into more heat. Thus it's more important to measure the current when the board is already hot if you want to be pe
  24. No, in my experience, the board will either hang, switch off, or reset when undervolted. Usually you need a voltmeter to check the board voltage under load. If you don't have one, you'll need to verify that they're all working fine (ie: ping them). The best you can do is to run cpuburn-a53 on all of them at the same time. If nothing fails, you should be fine.
  25. The need for cluster is quite common in fact, especially in this price range!