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  1. I'm well aware. To be clear, I DO NOT expect ANYTHING from the community. If someone shares an interest and shares info/knowledge/code GREAT, happy to work together Just documenting my thought process here as it may be helpful to others and shed some insight into SBCs. Its important that we improve the visibility of products and manufacturers that listen to feedback, continually improve their products and work with the community, not expect any support to be handled by the community. HINT: If a board manufacturer lists forum/community under support - run! Run as fast as you can, as far away from them as you can.
  2. 2018-11-4 update Looks like Amlogic S905x2 SoC boxes are being released. quad Core A53 + 4GB + 32GB ROM + gigabit + usb3.0 ~ $57 + $10 USB 3.0 gigabit RTL8153 adapter = $67 Amlogic has decent BSP support and arguably better color reproduction, good for TV boxes, not relevant for network appliances Almost there, with armbian or arch support and $17 discount this COULD work.. don't get your hopes up
  3. Summary of potential boards: NXP FRDM-LS1012A 1x 800 Mhz 512MB 2x NIC - = $50 GlobalScale ESPRESSObin 2x 1.3Ghz 1 GB 1x WAN, 2x LAN - = $49 Linksys WRT1200AC (refurb) 2x 1.2 Ghz 512MB 1x WAN, 5X LAN 2x2 802.11ac = $40
  4. there have been VLAN CVE, rather encounter a security issue down the road - eliminate the problem with separate NICs. simple is always best Mainline kernel has support. You may lose some HW features but patching is not too hard, fortunately I only need firewall and QoS so that shouldnt be an issue. yup it was the the last board I ever helped kickstart. Now I wait to see if a board survives to mass production - like the Pi. I did back Parallella and was pleasantly surprised but that speaks to the caliber of the people working on the project. The founder is now a DARPA AI/compute project lead. I am pretty excited about the Ryzen V1000 boards coming out. if you look at the "companies" releasing the boards, you'll see its the same people under a different "brand" name. If you have lots of money to burn and want to encourage more bad boards, sure buy them all. I'll wait and see what survives. The smaller companies have to make a profit to survive unless they have tons of investment or are part of a much larger company. I mean look at Asus Tinkerboard, it still has issues and it used a few year old SoC and was made by a Tier 1 x86 motherboard manufacturer. Yes, have given up on any type of router boards - looking at the block diagrams and datasheets will reveal numerous issues.. Old x86 server I have around, it E3 Xeon uses ~25W since its server hardware. You can get older Xeons on ebay for very cheap.. But thats still 5x more vs a typically router ~5W. I forgot I also got a Linksys AC1200 refurb for $USD 40 which has an A385 . Was testing LEDE and ZFS on it. Will be putting debian on it now and will likely meet my needs. Yes, that's why industrial boards are expensive in addition to better spec-ed components. But I'm not looking for an industrial board - just one that has proper hardware at least, the software I can be fix. However, the NXP board I mentioned has an EXCELLENT BSP and hardware and support and its $50.. perhaps its subsidized as NXP to sell more chips since NXP is usually pretty expensive SoC-wise. I'd like to see any other manufacturer come out with something of comparable quality. Thank you for sharing. Most people don't know the difficult to bring a physical product, much less consumer electronics to market. Fortunately, one of my advisors helps manage supply chain for a certain fruit company. Their advice and experience was invaluable. After being burdened by one investor, I have learned to CAREFULLY read the legal and informal obligations of any contract/partnership and look for potential pitfalls, lest I be shackled again. One SoC vendor wanted free reign over our IP as they could be "independently" developing similar products and they had already released a similar product with a competitor. I declined. It sucked having to search for a new SoC vendor but it worked and we sold a good product. A year later we started talking again for a new project and they are more flexible having seen our success. Its unfortunate you couldn't manufacture in China, because then you could also do the regulatory testing/certifications in the area (HK, Taiwain or Shenzhen). The same testing/certification facilities used by Tier 1 motherboards manufacturers will provide testing services including the one you mentioned for USD $5K - $15K depending on what all you need. RF products will cost more. Glad to hear that you had an exit. Congrats Yes, out of all the community boards the EspressoBIN seems OK. The Marvell chips are fairly robust and the capabilities/performance aligns with the datasheet specs. However, after discussing the boards with GlobalScale I got an errie feeling similar to working with other SoC manufactures so I backed out and wanted to wait until launch. It was delayed over half a year and the end result is what you have now. They did release some Google Compute related boards so perhaps they are more focused on that but I got the sense they didn't really care about the community version board. I mean everyone wants Raspberry Pi level success and they seem to think the form factor is what does it, when its the fact they to long term support and committed part of their team to continue improving the BSP. "More wood behind fewer arrows". Rock64 says the same thing but shows different results. Releasing multiple boards with different SoCs with a small team will spread any small company too thin. Current SBC methodology is fire and forget and see what sticks. That generally works with software products but definitely not with hardware. Hence the bucket of EoL ARM devices that I and many others have sitting in the corner collecting dust. Hence why I refuse to support anymore campaigns without showing substantial thought into the product. Things do seem to be getting better as a couple mfgs are joining mainline kernel development and submitting patches and supporting projects like armbian. Just wish it didnt take companies 5 years to realize this.. The first "SBC" MK802 with Allwinner A10 was what changed the game back in 2012 and kicked off this SBC revolution and helped create a space which eventually gave us the Pi though the story with the Pi is it was built to get kids back into computers. Anyway I'm confident things will get better one way or another!
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    ZFS on Armbian

    Any updates on this? There has been significant progress on zfsonlinux recently, 0.7.11 resolves a few major issues and greatly improves performance on x86-64, I have a feeling it may be ready for "production" testing on ARM -- need to find a suitable board first! edit: Have you tried the Marvell ARMADA A8040 series from SolidRun? Supposedly good networking and storage controllers.
  6. Excellent points. I stumbled upon a post here (which I can't seem to find now) that discusses issues with internal USB hubs/power and Ethernet stability on various SBCs. I'm trying to avoid VLAN tagging because I want to achieve full duplex line rate (1 Gbps) and avoid security concerns. I have a few RK3288 boards but I'd like two NICs for security. NXP support tells me the LS1012A can do 1Gbps at <1W but I'm skeptical. Also on my TODO is testing MQmaker WiTi running openwrt or debian to see if it can achieve this, MT7621A (MIPS 1004Kc @880MHz 2C/4T) and if all else fails will go back to an x86 server but the power usage will be high
  7. You can use mainline uboot and mainline kernel with firefly-rk3288 .. I've got gentoo, up and running from eMMC. Will try debian, ubuntu and arch which should follow a similar process and I'll post a guide when its done.
  8. Only curious to know if anyone has knowledge of a board I missed. Economic law of supply and demand - if demand decreases meaning people don't buy => then price must fall or supply must fall until equilibrium is reached. How are mfgs able to continuously make new boards with hw issues and no sw support? Only way is if they are making money off of selling a few boards or are heavily subsidized. Having manufactured in China gives me insight into the costs to produce electronics. I'd bet at least 10x margin from researching all these kickstarter boards. Gambling on these kickstarter boards is a fools errand. I'll stick to a board with a detailed and tested BSP or I build my own.. at least then I know exactly what I'm getting - bugs and all.
  9. board-db often has incorrect information.. the only other board I've come across at ~$50 is the ESPRESSObin but its sw support doesnt include hw acceleration like the NXP LS1012A so its in fact slower/higher latency and has less RAM. I asked OrangePI, FriendlyElec, Firefly, etc.. if they have any plans to make something similar and its under consideration but I think its unlikely. An OrangePI R1 like device with dual gigabit and a quad core a8 at ~$30 would make an excellent firewall/network appliance thats lower power.
  10. Hey folks, Wondering if anyone has come across a dual core or better single board computer that has dual native gigabit ethernet? I'm also trying to find something around $50.. so far the best I've found is the: NXP FRDM-LS1012A-PA - $50 which has good BSP and hardware packet accelerator but only single core @ 800 MHz As a last resort, I'm considering the NanoPi Neo4 with a USB to Gigabit ethernet adapter, thats about $75 with heatsink and USB 3.0 to Gigabit adapter.
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    Wayland on ARM SBCs

    armbian's philosophy as a minimal server distro is the primary goal and I agree 100% with that. X over SSH is quite helpful when you need graphical output on an embedded system that's not easily accessible. A minimal server distro designed for embedded systems sounds like the perfect platform for a minimal graphics display environment on top. What do you mean by this? Are you saying a lot of these SBCs have hardware problems? Can you give examples so I can avoid hardware like this. If you are using the embedded system as a desktop replacement or a media player, then having a presentation pipeline be able to handle multiple video frame rates and the mismatch with the display refresh rate is crucial for a smooth experience. Even my Dual SMP/GTX 960, Ubuntu 16.04 desktop x86_64 has tearing issues with video playback and heavy desktop usage (4K) which is quite remarkable given the level of progress of other OSes (Win 7, OS X) which run buttery smooth on the same hardware
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    Wayland on ARM SBCs

    armbian has XFCE (hw accelerated where possible) desktop images - is there interest in getting Wayland running on as many SBCs as possible so we can have smooth, high quality desktop?