Igor

@Igor: yes, I can edit it now and only that one. So, it seems to be OK. Thanks for your help...

Update - Touch panel is now working :)
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@Alexey,
 
Please do not multi-post the same issue in different sub-forums.
 
I merged both your posts together here, and moved the new combined thread to Common Issues subforum as I suspect it is going to be general software related rather than board or Armbian specific. If that proves not to be the case after further diagnosis, we can always move it back, later.
 
Back to the issue at hand, are you sure the appropriate ports are open/forwarded on your firewall, etc.?

Testing with help of that scripts - all of them are at least booting 20.02-RC images.
 


 

I have to clarify why we don't run proper public bug collection software. Linux (distribution) is a huge collection of 3rd party software and most of the reported bugs has absolutely nothing to do with our work - it is extremely hard, stupid and simply resources are not there to cover that. This is responsibility of their authors and that must be properly communicated - we are educating users all the time not to blame us if some freely available opensource package / application (which is part of the system we distribute) is not working. Free support A support that we are paying for users can come only in as is way while people expect somebody is looking into their case like when they purchase some product - its simply a matter of habit. Here, we can't do this way. We can't fix their generic problems or solve their, sometimes extremely complicated problems, nor be a middle man between them and a 3rd party software or hardware maker. Operation is simply too costly to sponsor.

Support for Armbian should always start with the documentation, proceeded by search and if they really can't work this out ... raise a question. Hopefully to already opened topic. In ideal world  
 
On the other hand there are just a few people that contribute on the project which creates added value which distinguish us from a generic Linux distro. We would simply drown in a list of unrelated bugs. This can only expand frustration.

That's why this forum is more like a bug listening platform. We see where problems are and fix (critical) if possible. Once there will be several millions of EUR / year we will be able to have 10-15 full timers to cover support. Then we will open a bug collection software and cover support as pro. If we want to get there, its a long (and IHMO wrong) way.

Bottom up. Many things exists with a reason and I will try to clarify when possible. Other regulars are doing it as well.
 
Thank you for your patience.

Another hint for new moderators:
 
When a person paste wall of text, we edit text and put it under the spoilers (eye) or inside code <> + (eye) spoilers
 

I also do that quite often. And note that under "edit reasons".

... moderators to look from users perspective and make forum a better place for us - users of this forum. With resources that are available. You can't answer technical questions, but you can merge two questions about the same problems into one - not for past year, but perhaps for one month, most recent ones. What is the gain of this? Questions are found easier, there are less doubled ones, higher chances that they are addressed and you save time to all of us. Our general work, which you are about to support, does exactly that. It saves all of us time and effort. You don't need to fix many troubles with the system/kernel on your own before starting to use it for some project ... we do that for you/users.
 
I don't expect concrete ideas for organisational changes today, nor next week. You need to be focused to "how to clean up forum" for longer time. Some forum sections are also more active than the others - they need different approach. Organise your work & write it down to rule out as much confusion as possible. Which you already started https://forum.armbian.com/topic/12757-moderator-resources-tips-qa-etc/ ? (probably there those few posts shell also be moved)
 
 

OK, maybe I will give ipfire a test just to see what you are talking about.
 
On your last two points, yes this is sort of what I am getting at. Trying to promote a culture of contribution and helping each other, and being a buffer so you guys can go off and do your wizard stuff and not spending all your time (and perhaps more importantly, emotional energy) on support. I think the carrot is just as important as the stick (not sure if that phrase translates culturally?). You know, positive reinforcement. And just plain being friendly. Especially to people who are contributing!
 
One of the things attracting me to this community initially was the clearly high level of technical competence and no-nonsense approach and honestly I think we should keep that. But at the end of the day we are all human beings, I don't see the harm (for someone like me, who is more focused on the "community" via forums (and IRC)) to try and be a little more welcoming. Overall I don't want to change the existing culture, which I see as good. I just want to allow some of my innate friendliness to come through, and welcome newcomers. Cheers!

There are no spikes in the Google analytics which suggest more for some bot activity.

My two cents.
 
- once we made a fork from a master branch, version must be adjusted accordingly (also on master)
- master remains the place for new contribution and we merge them into 
- when we are satisfied with the state of the build, RCx -> .1
- hot-fix releases. For now IMO, using master branch and just going up with the number. Unless we have resources which will stay behind and tinkle old releases, send fix to master, merge back, bump version and tell me what to build
 
I do plan to create a Jenkins server for this one day, that you will be able to push things up without me in the loop.

To secure top download speed around the globe, we need to have as many torrent seeders as possible. Currently we have dedicated seeders in: Estonia, Germany, Pakistan, Slovenia, Argentina, Singapore, USA, ... but we might be slower in China or Japan.
 
Prerequisite:
 
- Armbian or any Debian or Ubuntu based distribution (check instructions how to run armbian-config on a generic Debian/Ubuntu),
- 128Gb of free space.

a) Installation with installing Transmission server
 
login and obtain superuser rights, execute armbian-config, select Software -> Softy, install Transmission server. (use space to confirm and enter to proceed with install)
   
Leave armbian-config and after a few minutes check your torrent server status with the following command:
transmission-remote -n 'transmission:transmission' -l and you should see some progress:
 

Note:
Torrent server installed this way is auto updating - it checks daily for new images, adds new and purge old ones.
 
 
 
b.) Installation to the existing Transmission server
 
You only need to install a cron job script that your client serve only most recent files.

Create file:
sudo nano /etc/cron.daily/seed-armbian-torrent with this content:
 
 
Change username(transmission) and password(transmission) if have something else than stock, save and exit, then run:
sudo chmod +x /etc/cron.daily/seed-armbian-torrent sudo /etc/cron.daily/seed-armbian-torrent Optional:
 
If you use GUI, you can install desktop front end for simple torrent server monitoring.
 
apt install transmission-remote-gtk Host: localhost
Username: transmission
Password: transmission

Confirm and click connect.
 
 
How to stop seeding torrents?
Remove cron job: sudo rm /etc/cron.daily/seed-armbian-torrent  
Remove torrents:  transmission-remote -n transmission:transmission -t all --remove-and-delete This command will remove all files on your torrent server! If you seed other stuff do a cherry pick.
 

I am sure @balbes150 was not pointing toward your signature. It's an error in communication which is a daily problem and will not go away. This is online forum, not a chat in person.
 
Our project moves on its own speed. It moves slow. It moves according with the resources we have and will never be a representation of what we as users want. It moves slow.
 
Once someone comes with a technical questions, days, weeks or months can go by before things are solved. That's the reality we should be accept and communicate. Nobody can demands services. I can't demand services from you. I can ask you to do things rather this or that way. And hope you understand not insisting going your way.
 
I was working on one problem two days in a row, whole afternoon and produce one single commit. I need to be highly concentrated in that period otherwise I would never finish things. I can not go and deal with the forum or talk with people around in that time. That's why I asked for help here. This is how I operate and its pretty usual for others as well. While nobody else has so many things. I have to do other stuff for weeks without doing anything in term of moderating forum, dealing with day to day activities. That's why I need your help.

Not to remove spam in first place, because that is mainly done automatically. But to deal with users/us doing mistakes. I am user, you are user. You have a possibility to adjust it, like me. But that's it. We are a community interested to play with gadgets, secure some level of support ... Forum shell no be a place for taking care of users wishes. Its not possible to afford this kind of services. I can't reply on all question, nor deal with all problems. It would take me 24h. Remember that I also receive emails and PM which I don't even answer. In that case I would need 3 days per day.

Entire project is based on best effort principle - there are just a few people that do something about for the product, somebody sold it to you. ASUS drop support for this product years ago. They don't do absolutely nothing, only we do, what we do. We do 20-30-50h per day, which is insane number. ASUS never gave us not a singler dollar for wasting our time for their product and their users. Users contribution secure free download. That's it.
 
If we need to loose few more hours for forum, means only less for doing the part you as an Armbian user are interested. Dealing more with never satisfied people can only drag us away from things we(you) would like to do - make this cheap hardware usable.

We need your help, to not get crazy dealing every day with people that have no clue how much work is behind this. And still we allow people to dream. Nobody will pick that up since its totally out of the project scope and budget. I asks myself every day - shell I fix a problem, from never ending list, or shell I rather play with my kids. In case we stop developing, there will be no need to support us.
 

https://www.adafruit.com/product/1603
 
... and similar ones.

I am sure @balbes150 was not pointing toward your signature. It's an error in communication which is a daily problem and will not go away. This is online forum, not a chat in person.
 
Our project moves on its own speed. It moves slow. It moves according with the resources we have and will never be a representation of what we as users want. It moves slow.
 
Once someone comes with a technical questions, days, weeks or months can go by before things are solved. That's the reality we should be accept and communicate. Nobody can demands services. I can't demand services from you. I can ask you to do things rather this or that way. And hope you understand not insisting going your way.
 
I was working on one problem two days in a row, whole afternoon and produce one single commit. I need to be highly concentrated in that period otherwise I would never finish things. I can not go and deal with the forum or talk with people around in that time. That's why I asked for help here. This is how I operate and its pretty usual for others as well. While nobody else has so many things. I have to do other stuff for weeks without doing anything in term of moderating forum, dealing with day to day activities. That's why I need your help.

Not to remove spam in first place, because that is mainly done automatically. But to deal with users/us doing mistakes. I am user, you are user. You have a possibility to adjust it, like me. But that's it. We are a community interested to play with gadgets, secure some level of support ... Forum shell no be a place for taking care of users wishes. Its not possible to afford this kind of services. I can't reply on all question, nor deal with all problems. It would take me 24h. Remember that I also receive emails and PM which I don't even answer. In that case I would need 3 days per day.

Entire project is based on best effort principle - there are just a few people that do something about for the product, somebody sold it to you. ASUS drop support for this product years ago. They don't do absolutely nothing, only we do, what we do. We do 20-30-50h per day, which is insane number. ASUS never gave us not a singler dollar for wasting our time for their product and their users. Users contribution secure free download. That's it.
 
If we need to loose few more hours for forum, means only less for doing the part you as an Armbian user are interested. Dealing more with never satisfied people can only drag us away from things we(you) would like to do - make this cheap hardware usable.

We need your help, to not get crazy dealing every day with people that have no clue how much work is behind this. And still we allow people to dream. Nobody will pick that up since its totally out of the project scope and budget. I asks myself every day - shell I fix a problem, from never ending list, or shell I rather play with my kids. In case we stop developing, there will be no need to support us.
 

I have "Hide all signatures". Perhaps this is just admin feature by default. Check. Otherwise we have to check if this can be enabled for all.
 
@Vanitarium Adjusting, not removing. There are users out there with longer, some might have flashy ones and this can't be changed over the night. But we shell try.
 
Edit: https://forum.armbian.com/settings/?area=signature

Even forum have an option to disable signatures for logged users, I welcome this idea. We already removed lots of forum default distractions to be focused on the content. And I am sure it helps.

We test almost all images manually ... Perhaps you are doing something wrong? Have you read https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_Getting-Started/ first?

One of my first thought was wondering if there were enough of these type of little advices to make a wiki page or moderation sub forum, or maybe just a sticky post?
 
I think such a resource would help to get new moderators up to speed more quickly, and also lessen the impact of inevitable turnover. Maybe as I get to grips with how to perform this new job over the coming days and weeks I could start to collect some brief notes (from perspective of someone brand new to it) and see if such thing will even be necessary...
 
I am really excited about being able to contribute to such an important project! 

Granted! Thank you.
 

Great!
 
Forum is our common problem and it should be moderated according to that. We created some https://forum.armbian.com/terms and https://forum.armbian.com/guidelines. Read and use them, change if needed and keep in mind that people usually don't read them ... remember when you read the small print last time?
 
I have no intention to lead forum moderation - tell you what to do, but I will tell you if you went to far ... I expect the same treatment - I am just a forum user. (even I do have the same power and more as you do). There are topics which need to be sorted out - merge or move - and there are important topics which are floating in the see of banal - I work on this when I find some time which is less and less. Important stuff should be pinned and some, that are there are not relevant anymore, unpinned. If you can not decide on a specific case, but its important, speak up here, publicly. Only if there is a special need for privacy, in private. Administrator rights - for changing more critical things on the forum - contact @lanefu and me. We are both quite busy, so perhaps we shell also expand this role later on if you will come up with lots of ideas for changes.
 
Can't believe how quick we sorted this out.  And as a side effect, perhaps an IRC channel might get live soon. Thank you!

Granted! Thank you.
 

Great!
 
Forum is our common problem and it should be moderated according to that. We created some https://forum.armbian.com/terms and https://forum.armbian.com/guidelines. Read and use them, change if needed and keep in mind that people usually don't read them ... remember when you read the small print last time?
 
I have no intention to lead forum moderation - tell you what to do, but I will tell you if you went to far ... I expect the same treatment - I am just a forum user. (even I do have the same power and more as you do). There are topics which need to be sorted out - merge or move - and there are important topics which are floating in the see of banal - I work on this when I find some time which is less and less. Important stuff should be pinned and some, that are there are not relevant anymore, unpinned. If you can not decide on a specific case, but its important, speak up here, publicly. Only if there is a special need for privacy, in private. Administrator rights - for changing more critical things on the forum - contact @lanefu and me. We are both quite busy, so perhaps we shell also expand this role later on if you will come up with lots of ideas for changes.
 
Can't believe how quick we sorted this out.  And as a side effect, perhaps an IRC channel might get live soon. Thank you!

Thank you! For this and for your help in the past.
 
 
I don't know if we are generally there yet, but forum ( and me) is getting out of control from time to time. That's my observation, which could be wrong. 
 
 
We need reinforcements, otherwise it will remain as is not so good. Hopefully more people will step up since it will be easier for everyone and the only way to keep forum readable, conduct some minimal policy and trying to improve forums on a long run. We want as flat structure as possible - being a moderator should be technical not a political function to limit our power games. Armbian is a technical forum - we don't delete content, but merge, move, reorganise. We ban bots that breaks automated spam machine, we don't ban people unless idiot level is obvious, but warn users when derived from https://forum.armbian.com/terms and https://forum.armbian.com/guidelines
 
Mistakes will be done on both sides. Which is normal and expected.

People that have moderators rights and are relatively active are: @NicoD @JMCC @chwe @TonyMac32 @balbes150 @lanefu 
 
Any objections, otherwise welcome!
 
Inactive: @pfeerick @Xalius @StuxNet (and will be removed shortly if no response)

Granted! Thank you.
 

Great!
 
Forum is our common problem and it should be moderated according to that. We created some https://forum.armbian.com/terms and https://forum.armbian.com/guidelines. Read and use them, change if needed and keep in mind that people usually don't read them ... remember when you read the small print last time?
 
I have no intention to lead forum moderation - tell you what to do, but I will tell you if you went to far ... I expect the same treatment - I am just a forum user. (even I do have the same power and more as you do). There are topics which need to be sorted out - merge or move - and there are important topics which are floating in the see of banal - I work on this when I find some time which is less and less. Important stuff should be pinned and some, that are there are not relevant anymore, unpinned. If you can not decide on a specific case, but its important, speak up here, publicly. Only if there is a special need for privacy, in private. Administrator rights - for changing more critical things on the forum - contact @lanefu and me. We are both quite busy, so perhaps we shell also expand this role later on if you will come up with lots of ideas for changes.
 
Can't believe how quick we sorted this out.  And as a side effect, perhaps an IRC channel might get live soon. Thank you!

I welcome you to the forum and to the moderators team!

First task is perhaps to get this thread in order - remove not needed posts?  
 
Edit: In case someone doesn't have rights - logout - login might help.

well, I spun up an ubuntu x86 image and built my own armbian image with desktop.  no more frequency messages :)
 
and it really wasn't that hard.  I only spent about 10 mins reading the "build" documentation
 
now to get the rest of it working to my liking.

Thank you! For this and for your help in the past.
 
 
I don't know if we are generally there yet, but forum ( and me) is getting out of control from time to time. That's my observation, which could be wrong. 
 
 
We need reinforcements, otherwise it will remain as is not so good. Hopefully more people will step up since it will be easier for everyone and the only way to keep forum readable, conduct some minimal policy and trying to improve forums on a long run. We want as flat structure as possible - being a moderator should be technical not a political function to limit our power games. Armbian is a technical forum - we don't delete content, but merge, move, reorganise. We ban bots that breaks automated spam machine, we don't ban people unless idiot level is obvious, but warn users when derived from https://forum.armbian.com/terms and https://forum.armbian.com/guidelines
 
Mistakes will be done on both sides. Which is normal and expected.

People that have moderators rights and are relatively active are: @NicoD @JMCC @chwe @TonyMac32 @balbes150 @lanefu 
 
Any objections, otherwise welcome!
 
Inactive: @pfeerick @Xalius @StuxNet (and will be removed shortly if no response)