softy uninstall support

[xwiggen]

Running buster on a ZeroPi but softy does not uninstall.

Also home-assistant does not seem to install, followed rpi3 guide on homeassistant and got it to work in docker container; Softy reports homeassistant to be installed.

 

[Igor]

13 hours ago, xwiggen said:

Running buster on a ZeroPi but softy does not uninstall.

True. Not implemented. https://www.armbian.com/get-involved/

 

13 hours ago, xwiggen said:

Also home-assistant does not seem to install, followed rpi3 guide on homeassistant and got it to work in docker container; Softy reports homeassistant to be installed.

Fixed 2 days ago https://github.com/armbian/config/commit/03419f064c3611e480f596488ad1fcb660464957

[Eric Poscher-Mika]

Softy is nice for a hackathon style development to kickstart and try out stuff. it's DNA is 100% development, but not made for maintenance and reliability.

Armbian used to be a debian based distro, but since it throws the principles of the debian distribution over board now here you have a fancy collection of curly install scripts with the latest hot shit, which definitely wont upgrade with the package manager and which will be a pain later on.

 

thats ok in its own right, but nowadays you have products like a helios nas that people want to use for production and where armbian, nextcloudpi and the such are just not fit for long-term dev-ops.

 

So the question remains if the armbian community wants to grow with the available hardware or if it will stay a flash-to-trash OS (Flash it, try it, Trash and reinstall something new, dont use for production).

 

I dont want to offend anyone, I value the FOSS Community and the armbian project as such and want give some feedback and ask about it's future plans!

 

 

[Igor]

2 hours ago, Eric Poscher-Mika said:

Softy is nice for a hackathon style development to kickstart and try out stuff. it's DNA is 100% development, but not made for maintenance and reliability.

 

We never said that it is and nobody is proud on its quality, but its free and our resources are too tiny to do things better. Period. armbian-config and things that are implemented were derived from a collection of (mainly my) personal scripts, some dated 10+ years ago. We can't allocate resources for proper maintenance and which is why it's still marketed as beta:

 

[ General system configuration (beta): armbian-config ]

 

2 hours ago, Eric Poscher-Mika said:

but not made for maintenance and reliability.

 

Totally agree. We are trying to restart development, refactor the whole thing and find a way to secure its maintaining. Here is your chance to get / create production class software installation. I can only do my best effort and cheer people to come together, but can't and have no wish to put such complicated system together alone. I have enough of challenges elsewhere.

 

2 hours ago, Eric Poscher-Mika said:

Armbian used to be a debian based distro

https://docs.armbian.com/#what-is-armbian
Armbian is a build system 1st, then we are focused to hardware features, boot loader and kernel development ... and we choose to add Debian & Ubuntu user land because most people are familiar with. There we are doing minimal changes since core mission is that you can use your hardware at least with its basic / core functions  ... and recently - after many years - we extended to advanced desktop functionality to better cover those most capable boards. The core of everything is still a build system, aka "Yocto Lite", which produces any Debian or Ubuntu like Linux distribution based on our hardware interface. "Armbian distro" is a side product. A demonstration that you can build your own Linux distribution with help of our tool. For arm single board computers. 

 

2 hours ago, Eric Poscher-Mika said:

want to use for production and where armbian, nextcloudpi and the such are just not fit for long-term dev-ops.

 

I don't trust any installer which is why I made/maintain my own scripting or just follow things this way: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/ Tool is optional, you can also use some 3rd party if you like, there are probably plenty of them, but if people wants a better or even production quality in house official armbian https://www.armbian.com/get-involved/

 

People's ideas from this wishes subforum is estimated on several millions to complete. I think that's a bit too much for a FOSS project without any income to cover ... especially after that millions we already pure into every year and goes by mainly unnoticed. We are already far over the limits. I hate ranting / repeating myself, but I do have a family, two kids and a daily job. For example, today I waked up at 7am, had a small break and now its past 12pm and haven't done for my paid daily job anything. Just wasted another day for this project, currently trying to clarify our position, emails/PM are coming in, chat is blinking ... 

 

2 hours ago, Eric Poscher-Mika said:

I value the FOSS Community

 

In what sense?

 

2 hours ago, Eric Poscher-Mika said:

future plans!

Development plans are decided among contributors / developers and maintainers that volunteer for this and that task / project on a live meeting:
https://docs.armbian.com/Process_Release-Model/#release-planning

and are written to Jira

https://armbian.atlassian.net/
Welcome!