NicoD 454 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Hi all. You might have already heard. Armbian is aiming to support the Raspberry Pi4. @rpardini already made well working images for it. In this video I talk about why we would want Armbian for the RPi4, and I show you around in Armbian Jammy 5.13 for the RPi4. We do need to find someone who wants to take the task on him/her to be maintainer for RaspberryPi4 at Armbian. For this you need one spare board that can be used for testing when new release are made. Here some info I gathered. Raspberry Pi 4 cooled with big heatsink on SoC and fan on-top Board | SBC-Bench | Distro | Clockspeeds | 7z all cores | 7z small core | 7z big core | CPU-Miner | NicoD-Blender | Max temp | C copy backwards NanoPi M4 2GB http://ix.io/3xnJ Armbian Hirsute xfce4 5.13.12 1.4Ghz/1.8Ghz 7760 1267 1857 10.05 14m41s 78C *** 1782.9 MB/s NanoPi M4 2GB http://ix.io/3xv3 Armbian Hirsute xfce4 5.13.12 1.5Ghz/2Ghz 8288 1348 2070 10.95 13m21s *** 1806.7 MB/s NanoPi M4 2GB http://ix.io/3xs3 Armbian Hirsute cinnamon 5.13.12 1.4Ghz/1.8Ghz 7766 1267 1851 10 14m33s 78C 1742.6 MB/s NanoPi M4 2GB http://ix.io/3xt0 Armbian Hirsute budgie 5.13.12 1.4Ghz/1.8Ghz 7941 1272 1863 10.05 14m24s/14m18s 78C 1738.3 MB/s NanoPi M4 2GB http://ix.io/3xtR Armbian Buster xfce4 4.4.213 1.5Ghz/2Ghz 8383 1359 1982 10.8 14m17s 1377.3 MB/s NanoPi M4 2GB http://ix.io/3xuf Armbian Buster xfce4 4.4.213 1.4Ghz/1.8Ghz 7879 1278 1807 10 15m20s 1392.3 MB/s NanoPi M4 2GB http://ix.io/3xux Armbian Focal xfce4 5.10.60 1.4Ghz/1.8Ghz 8028 1286 1859 10.27 13m29s *** 1765.3 MB/s NanoPi M4 2GB http://ix.io/3xuL Armbian Focal xfce4 5.10.60 1.5Ghz/2Ghz 8427 1351 2076 11.2 12m53s *** 1759.9 MB/s NanoPi M4 2GB http://ix.io/3EDB Ubuntu Xenial armhf 4.4 xfce4 1.4Ghz/1.8Ghz 7069 1140 1695 1387.1 MB/s Board | SBC-Bench | Distro | Clockspeeds | 7z all cores | 7z small core | 7z big core | CPU-Miner | NicoD-Blender | Max temp Odroid C4/HC4 http://ix.io/2LaP Ubuntu Mate 4.9 1.91Ghz 7000 1769 7.2 kH/s 2087.5 MB/s Odroid C4/HC4 http://ix.io/3F6z Armbian Buster 5.9 2.10Ghz 7971 2030 7.9 23m02s 2020.0 MB/s Khadas VIM3 Armbian Hirsute cinnamon 5.13.12 12m55s Raspberry Pi4 http://ix.io/3F6o Armbian Jammy 5.13 2Ghz 8047 2070 Didn't work Blender doens't work 2054.3 MB/s Raspberry Pi4 http://ix.io/3F6K Armbian Jammy 5.13 1.5Ghz 6239 1572 2556.8 MB/s Raspberry Pi4 Armbian Hirsute edge xfce4 5.11 1.5Ghz 5832 1534 18m11s 60C Raspberry Pi4 http://ix.io/3Euw Armbian Hirsute edge xfce4 5.11 2Ghz 7747 2037 9.8 14m26s 68C 2382.2 MB/s Raspberry Pi4 http://ix.io/3FbW Armbian Hirsute 5.11 OC GPU+CPU 2.1Ghz 8168 2147 Blender crash 2445.0 MB/s Raspberry Pi4 http://ix.io/3EU7 Armbian Impish edge headless 5.13 1.5Ghz 6251 1584 15m39s 2618.0 MB/s Raspberry Pi4 http://ix.io/3Ewi Armbian Impish edge headless 5.13 2Ghz 8171 2093 12m41s 2713.7 MB/s Raspberry Pi4 http://ix.io/3EPQ Armbian Bullseye edge headless 5.13 1.5Ghz 6328 1594 7.3 Blender doesn't work 2680.5 MB/s Raspberry Pi4 http://ix.io/3EK9 Armbian Bullseye edge headless 5.13 2Ghz 8242 2096 9.7 Blender doesn't work 2505.4 MB/s Raspberry Pi4 http://ix.io/3ECd Raspberry Pi OS Bullseye 32-bit 1.5Ghz 7577 1933 21m09s 2511.7 MB/s Raspberry Pi4 http://ix.io/3ECt Raspberry Pi OS Bullseye 32-bit 2Ghz 9746 2533 17m05s 2263.0 MB/s Raspberry Pi4 http://ix.io/3EIe Raspberry Pi OS Bullseye 64-bit 1.5Ghz 6174 1567 7.2 17m01s 2463.5 MB/s Raspberry Pi4 http://ix.io/3EJs Raspberry Pi OS Bullseye 64-bit 2Ghz 8026 2053 9.65 Blender unstable at 2Ghz 2326.1 MB/s Raspberry Pi4 http://ix.io/3EGZ Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish) 5.13 arm64 1.5Ghz 6160 1563 16m50s 2421.2 MB/s Raspberry Pi4 http://ix.io/3EHA Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish) 5.13 arm64 2Ghz 7965 2038 Didn't work Blender unstable at 2Ghz 2501.9 MB/s Odroid N2+ http://ix.io/3EwQ Armbian Impish xfce4 5.14 2Ghz/2.4Ghz 11714 1765 2517 8m51s 2053.0 MB/s Raspberry Pi4 SD->USB3 with SandDisk Extreme 89.7 MB/s read SD with on-board sd-card reader Sandisk Extreme 45.4 MB/s read (rather slow compared to 70MB/s for M4) RPi4 fastest memory, then N2+, then M4(lpddr3) Armbian Impish 2.93.5 Raspberry Pi OS Bulsseye 32-bit/64-bit blender 2.83.5 Ubuntu 21.10 Blender 2.93.3 Armbian Jammy Blender goesn't work / bug *** Ubuntu 21.10 unstable when installing ubuntu-mate-desktop, Unity very slow Armbian on RPi4 pro's + Having the same platform for RPi and other Armbian supported boards + Reliability/ stable + ARM64 vs armhf of RaspberryPiOS/Ubuntu unstable at high clocks and a lot of bugs and hangs + Ubuntu and Debian images and all their versions + Great for server tasks + Customizable + You can build your own RPi4 images with whatever modules you need Armbian on RPi4 con's - Not great for desktop use (yet) - No VPU drivers, video playback firefox ok up to 720p - Audio glitchy, no audio on some images like Jammy *** For audio install pavucontrol *** On-board wifi and dongles don't work with the Armbian Impish and Bullseye images. Dongles work on Hirsute. I guess kernel issue 5.13 -> 5.11 *** Armbian Bullseye 5.13 USB not always working Install desktops sudo apt install xfce4 (ubuntu-mate-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, lubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop, ...) sudo apt install lightdm sudo apt install lightdm-gtk-greeter sudo apt install pavucontrol sudo apt install xinit Power draw at 5.3V headless 1.5Ghz with fan maxed out 0.95A 2Ghz with fan maxed out 1.10A To do - M4 Impish - Gather the info I've got from other boards and my pc's And for those who don't like watching a video, here a short text of what I talk about. What is Armbian? What is the Armbian build framework which is one of the valued pro's compared to RPiOS? Why Armbian for RPi4? For software compatibillity with other Armbian supported SBCs, Reliabillity, ARM64, Ubuntu and Debian and their versions, great for server tasks... Accentuate this is only a preview, not full release or supported Show Armbian download page Show the NanoPi M4 and Odroid N2+, talk about their specs(short) Difference between other SBCs and RPi/ThreadX - Under Voltage problems/eMMC and NVMe possible on others(better I/O) What doesn't work yet on Armbian for RPi4. Wifi, BT and HDMI sound Show Armbian Impish, show htop, install desktops, Benchmarks between different OS's. Explain they aren't worth much since, different versions of software, different architecture armhf vs arm64, 7zip multicore doesn't play well on different sized clusters, and doesn't always give exact the same result... !!!Test the performance of the software you use to know if this is the correct tool for you!!! Show different desktop environments installed on Armbian - Not the Armbian default desktops - mate doesn't work great, xfce4 works ok, kde works but is slow(newer version should improve that soon)Change openGL2->OpenGL3, ... Performance of I/O. Better to use a good but cheap usb3 sd-card reader than on-board sd-card reader. ssd/NVMe->USB3 even better. ???Would you like to become RPi4 Armbian maintainer??? Or for another board??? Conclusion. Good for RPi community to have even more choice. Good for Armbian community to be able to use the same software on their RPi devices as on their others. Good for Armbian to reach more people and have more awareness about other boards. Having a good build environment to build your own images/kernels/patches for the RPi4. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guidol 286 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 @NicoD why only for the RPI4? I commented out (like you said in the video) the 2GHz overclock out of the config.txt and booted the image on the RPI3b(+) for a headless-server-only version (No Desktop) Little problem was the /erc/rc.local where I mount my SAMBA from another pistyle-sbc, because the Network card is getting up very late. So I had to add a "sleep 20" at the beginning of my /etc/rc.local Armbian on my the RPi 3B v1.2 takes around 185MB for booting - so enough space to do something Because onboard audio doesnt work I used a USB-Audio with a proper /etc/asound.conf Spoiler pcm.!default { type hw card 1 device 0 } ctl.!default { type hw card 1 } After a "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" the RPi does copy many new/current modules again and seem to setup the system better. To gain back some memory from the RPi3 I changed the GPU memory in the config.txt from 256MB to 32MB to get 950MB useable for the headless-server armbianmonitor -u result at: http://ix.io/3Fly 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicoD 454 Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 @guidolI did think about it that it should work on RPi3 too. I should have one, but couldn't find it. My RPi2B can't do it for sure. Thank you for the info. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guidol 286 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, NicoD said: My RPi2B can't do it for sure. @NicoD iy you got the early 2B with Cortex-/ CPU then it wont work, but there is a 2B V1.2 with Cortex-A53 (BCM2837) at 900Mhz which could work because it can handle 64bit 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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