Orange Pi CM4

[perfstr]

Hello,
Could anybody provide plans/recommendations about Armbian and Orange Pi CM4 board?

Thanks in advance.

[Igor]

3 hours ago, perfstr said:

Could anybody provide plans/recommendations about Armbian and Orange Pi CM4 board?

 

Stick to this board: https://www.armbian.com/bananapicm4io/ So far we have a person behind and a tiny budget, so our personal finances are not blown in 100%. Behind Orangepi CM4 we have nothing except random community work and with this it is not possible to plan any actions.

[Evgeny Bortnik]

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Could anybody provide plans/recommendations about Armbian and Orange Pi CM4 board?

Hi!

I installed for orange 3b from here.  I installed "Armbian_community_24.5.0-trunk.522_Orangepi3b_jammy_edge_6.8.8_gnome_desktop.img.xz"

Regards

Edited May 3 by Evgeny Bortnik

[perfstr]

Thank you! I've checked it and it doesn't contain release for Orange Pi CM4. I went with image supplied in orangepi.org site and it answers my needs (in most cases). BTW, their image has something common with Armbian (or based on).

[Michael Robinson]

CM4 and 3b have the same SOC.

[perfstr]

Thank you for clarifying. I tested some image from Armbian, but it had several limitations for me. For example kernel v.6 had some problem with internal sound card in my test, while kernel v.5 works with it. 

[Igor]

23 minutes ago, perfstr said:

but it had several limitations for me.

 

Armbian didn't sold you functioning of this device. We are telling you that this hardware is not supported and we don't even think to support it. Support costs money. Even this is perhaps possible to support with several ten thausands per year, we will not do anything as total Orangepi support budget is negative. HW, on the othe hand, needs constant support or it starts to fall apart. They will ofc not tell you that. They simply don't change software stack in any way, so nothing will fall apart ... but there is ofc a problem. Most hardware is sold with privately made Linux kernel (5.1 also 6.1. now). They get code from SoC vendor and for this software most of this https://twitter.com/internetofshit applies and is never resolved, but most of people are unable to understand, don't know or care about. Customer that this is sold is just more uneducated in technical sense.

 

Modern Kernel 6.x (beware on numbers deception) is build from scratch where its impossible that all features works right from start. Costs per each SoC family can go into millions. Orangepi is not involed here, but we are. They don't support development, we (and other FOSS projects) do. Yeah, its that crazy  They are flooding market with cheap hardware with as cheap software support as possible. Pirated software? No problem. Who will sue them? Do you (users) care? Supporting projects that are stealing from open source? No problem. There is absolutely no moral code. SoC vendors also doesn't care about anything but numbers of SoCs sold. Revenue, while abusing open source communities, is the only king there is.

 

On a long run and if you don't want to have internet of a shit device, you will use ... Armbian, fork of it, some similar Linux. Which you don't support as they are doing everything to mask the true costs of software development. Also Orangepi is providing modern Linux software that is branded as Orangepi to fake "development" by them. Most of users have no ability to understand that Orangepi is not a software company. They sell hardware, while software they just "get", rebrand, sell. 

 

1 hour ago, perfstr said:

their image has something common with Armbian

 

 

They downloaded Ambian build framework at one point. This was several years ago. Then they ran search for "Armbian" replace with "Orangepi" to impress people with work they never contributed anything to. This is one of ways how (some of) those companies stealls value and show "respect" toward people that finance them.

 

In case you have questions regarding this particilar hardware, contact Orangepi officie directly. I know its a waste of time, but at least they will have support damages. Support = hard cash expense also for open source projects.

 

Developers are asking you for support https://github.com/sponsors/armbian and it years and years that those numbers got to the 10% of 1k per month. Which is a discrase, but its impossible to communicate that. For example two people, which would be lost in this support, costs 10k per month, 10x more it has been asked. Volonteers? Yes, they are happy to help, but bulk of support needs professional backbone or you complain and make dirt, even you pay like nothing. Still you think Aliexpress dealer is the one that provides any software? They invest close to nothing into software development as they are by default affraid they will support their competitions ... so they don't pay any "taxes" for software they take from open source and sell as theirs.

 

One hour of engineering is worth more then 1pcs of hardware.

 

Simply change it to something else and:
 

- there is actively maintained codebase

- you will get responsive free regular support

- you can get instant professional support

- you will support developers not hd just dealers that are already selling you something new with demo software

 

This comes with https://www.armbian.com/bananapicm4io/

[Hqnicolas]

@perfstr follow me to the world of silvertape and WD40: Start here read, and learn every step.... so you can go there

 

Edited May 4 by Hqnicolas