makama80 Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 I am considering to buy a new board for personal cloud / webserver / NAS / torrent / DLNA etc. I can hear you thinking: yes and? So what? I narrowed my options down to an Odroid-XU4 or Tinker Board. Note that for the NAS functionality I already own a Gbit NAS enclosure. What would you buy and why? You have to choose!
tkaiser Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 Neither/nor (I would choose a cheap H5 board instead even if software support is still preliminary). My personal objections: XU4 consumes too much and has some USB problems (internal USB3 hub, potential UAS issues), Tinkerboard uses Micro USB for DC-IN (stupid choice) and uses only one of the SoC's USB host ports (so everything connected to USB receptacles has to share the bandwidth of a single upstream USB port). Both XU4 and Tinkerboard are great choices for display/GPU stuff but your use case doesn't seem like a match (to me).
manuti Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 I do not have deep knowledge but only as user in my humble opinion I can say a couple of things. I think the XU4 is a good board but you need to consider something: In the last ODROID Magazine the CEO from Hardkernel talked about 2 or 3 new boards this year, so ... maybe the XU4 go to a second place in the Hardkernel catalogue and support & development. I'm very surprised in general with the ratio power/price you can have with Orange Pi boards (always with armbian OS) maybe you can start with one of this, like Orange Pi Plus 2E.
makama80 Posted May 5, 2017 Author Posted May 5, 2017 Thanks for your replies. It clears the cloudy sky. @tkaiser: is raw CPU performance of the H5 comparable to the SOC's in the Tinker and ODROID XU-4? Basically I need processing power and a fast port (Ethernet or USB) to the outside world. As you mention: I also do not need fancy graphics.
Igor Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, makama80 said: I need processing power and a fast port H5 board with gigabit:https://www.armbian.com/orange-pi-prime/ https://www.armbian.com/nanopi-neo-2 + http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=184 1
tkaiser Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 14 minutes ago, makama80 said: is raw CPU performance of the H5 comparable to the SOC's in the Tinker and ODROID XU-4 Not really. H5 is based on 'low-end' A53 cores while the Exynos in XU3/XU4 features 4 fast A15 cores on the big cluster and RK3288 comes with 4 fast A17 cores. They will outperform A53 cores easily even if H5 is able to be clocked up to 1.34GHz (OPi PC 2 or Prime, NanoPi NEO 2 is limited to 912 MHz due to missing voltage regulation). You can search the forum for ssl speedtests (XU4 and RK3288 boards performing nearly identical but I'm not aware of numbers for OPi PC 2 or Prime) and maybe Igor can provide the output of '7zr b' for both OPi Prime (or PC 2) clocking above 1.3GHz and MiQi board?
Igor Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 MiQi is currently on my table: stock settings and kernel 4.11 Spoiler 7-Zip (A) 9.20 Copyright (c) 1999-2010 Igor Pavlov 2010-11-18 p7zip Version 9.20 (locale=en_US.UTF-8,Utf16=on,HugeFiles=on,4 CPUs) RAM size: 2007 MB, # CPU hardware threads: 4 RAM usage: 850 MB, # Benchmark threads: 4 Dict Compressing | Decompressing Speed Usage R/U Rating | Speed Usage R/U Rating KB/s % MIPS MIPS | KB/s % MIPS MIPS 22: 881 157 546 857 | 11645 143 736 1050 23: 1162 187 634 1184 | 19669 174 1034 1800 24: 1380 207 716 1484 | 15176 158 891 1408 25: 1281 188 779 1463 | 10996 143 724 1034 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Avr: 185 669 1247 154 846 1323 Tot: 170 757 1285
tkaiser Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 27 minutes ago, Igor said: MiQi is currently on my table: stock settings and kernel 4.11 Thank you! So in 'active benchmarking' mode we discovered that there's something horribly wrong with our RK3288 images currently! Numbers are way too low (XU4 scores with 4966 vs. 2725 -- first number running on the big cluster, latter on the little, so MiQi must get close to or exceed 5000). Fortunately you submitted whole output so most probably there's something wrong with both cpufreq settings and DRAM bandwidth. Even a boring Pinebook scores higher: ubuntu@pinebook:~$ 7za b 7-Zip (A) 9.20 Copyright (c) 1999-2010 Igor Pavlov 2010-11-18 p7zip Version 9.20 (locale=en_US.UTF-8,Utf16=on,HugeFiles=on,4 CPUs) RAM size: 1989 MB, # CPU hardware threads: 4 RAM usage: 850 MB, # Benchmark threads: 4 Dict Compressing | Decompressing Speed Usage R/U Rating | Speed Usage R/U Rating KB/s % MIPS MIPS | KB/s % MIPS MIPS 22: 1426 301 460 1388 | 41182 388 956 3715 23: 1392 302 469 1418 | 39675 389 934 3630 24: 1322 302 470 1422 | 39224 389 934 3639 25: 1282 310 472 1464 | 38254 389 925 3597 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Avr: 304 468 1423 389 937 3645 Tot: 346 703 2534
Igor Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 I'll rebuild image and check once again. I also could not move the chip into turbo mode above 2.2Ghz ...
tkaiser Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Igor said: I'll rebuild image and check once again Please look at the Usage percentage above. On a quad core CPU this should exceed 300% all the time otherwise it might be an indication that background/other jobs are running.
Igor Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 I actually only rebooted and now it's fine: RK3288 MiQi with 4.11 Spoiler RAM size: 2007 MB, # CPU hardware threads: 4 RAM usage: 850 MB, # Benchmark threads: 4 Dict Compressing | Decompressing Speed Usage R/U Rating | Speed Usage R/U Rating KB/s % MIPS MIPS | KB/s % MIPS MIPS 22: 3037 312 947 2955 | 81018 399 1834 7309 23: 3559 329 1103 3626 | 79244 398 1824 7251 24: 3457 330 1125 3717 | 77525 397 1811 7192 25: 3372 331 1162 3850 | 76170 398 1801 7163 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Avr: 326 1084 3537 398 1818 7229 Tot: 362 1451 5383 H5 OPi Prime with 4.10 Spoiler RAM size: 1996 MB, # CPU hardware threads: 4 RAM usage: 850 MB, # Benchmark threads: 4 Dict Compressing | Decompressing Speed Usage R/U Rating | Speed Usage R/U Rating KB/s % MIPS MIPS | KB/s % MIPS MIPS 22: 1323 293 438 1287 | 42868 398 970 3867 23: 1520 296 522 1549 | 37047 395 857 3390 24: 1435 294 524 1543 | 35734 389 852 3315 25: 1361 294 528 1554 | 33456 391 804 3146 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Avr: 295 503 1483 393 871 3429 Tot: 344 687 2456 x86 build server, stock Xenial with 4.4 Spoiler RAM size: 64297 MB, # CPU hardware threads: 56 RAM usage: 11907 MB, # Benchmark threads: 56 Dict Compressing | Decompressing Speed Usage R/U Rating | Speed Usage R/U Rating KB/s % MIPS MIPS | KB/s % MIPS MIPS 22: 57764 3440 1633 56193 | 1019439 5122 1794 91901 23: 70063 4096 1742 71386 | 1004774 5128 1792 91895 24: 60005 3729 1730 64517 | 949887 4974 1771 88100 25: 42431 2586 1874 48447 | 944437 4971 1786 88787 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Avr: 3463 1745 60136 5049 1786 90171 Tot: 4256 1765 75153
tkaiser Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 Yes, MiQi/Tinkerboard numbers look fine now though OPi Prime's not (must get close to or even exceed 3000 when running with optimal settings). BTW/Off-topic: Is your build server using E5-2695 or E5-2697?
Igor Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 I am running Opi Prime on stock settings, built from sources one hour ago ... which numbers should be better? I ran again and it stays in the same range. 2 x E5-2683 1
tkaiser Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 18 minutes ago, Igor said: I am running Opi Prime on stock settings, built from sources one hour ago ... which numbers should be better? Prime scores identical with Pinebook (tested again, this time two times to ensure the benchmark runs all the time with A64 just clocked with 1104 since slight throttling occured). So there's something wrong with cpufreq (H5 should be allowed to clock up to 1.34GHz). Anyway just to keep this in mind for those working on OPi PC2 or Prime right now: 7z/tinymembench numbers of Pinebook as reference (running at just 1.1GHz and using 2 GB LPDDR3) here: https://pastebin.com/rvrhevXr
manuti Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 And this is a BeelinX2 using internal memory (nobody ask, but I like H3 SoC) and Legacy Desktop armbian: manuti@beelinkx2:~$ 7za b 7-Zip (A) 9.20 Copyright (c) 1999-2010 Igor Pavlov 2010-11-18 p7zip Version 9.20 (locale=es_ES.UTF-8,Utf16=on,HugeFiles=on,4 CPUs) RAM size: 1000 MB, # CPU hardware threads: 4 RAM usage: 850 MB, # Benchmark threads: 4 Dict Compressing | Decompressing Speed Usage R/U Rating | Speed Usage R/U Rating KB/s % MIPS MIPS | KB/s % MIPS MIPS 22: 1379 301 445 1342 | 35621 393 816 3213 23: 1378 308 455 1404 | 34656 388 816 3171 24: 1354 317 459 1456 | 34350 391 815 3186 25: 1069 272 449 1221 | 31443 365 809 2956 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Avr: 300 452 1356 384 814 3132 Tot: 342 633 2244 1
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