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makama80

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I am considering to buy a new board for personal cloud / webserver / NAS / torrent / DLNA etc. I can hear you thinking: yes and? So what?

 

I narrowed my options down to an Odroid-XU4 or Tinker Board. Note that for the NAS functionality I already own a Gbit NAS enclosure.

 

What would you buy and why? You have to choose!

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Neither/nor (I would choose a cheap H5 board instead even if software support is still preliminary). My personal objections: XU4 consumes too much and has some USB problems (internal USB3 hub, potential UAS issues), Tinkerboard uses Micro USB for DC-IN (stupid choice) and uses only one of the SoC's USB host ports (so everything connected to USB receptacles has to share the bandwidth of a single upstream USB port). Both XU4 and Tinkerboard are great choices for display/GPU stuff but your use case doesn't seem like a match (to me).

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I do not have deep knowledge but only as user in my humble opinion I can say a couple of things.

I think the XU4 is a good board but you need to consider something: In the last ODROID Magazine the CEO from Hardkernel talked about 2 or 3 new boards this year, so ... maybe the XU4 go to a second place in the Hardkernel catalogue and support & development. 

I'm very surprised in general with the ratio power/price you can have with Orange Pi boards (always with armbian OS) maybe you can start with one of this, like  Orange Pi Plus 2E.

 

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Thanks for your replies. It clears the cloudy sky. @tkaiser: is raw CPU performance of the H5 comparable to the SOC's in the Tinker and ODROID XU-4? Basically I need processing power and a fast port (Ethernet or USB) to the outside world.

As you mention: I also do not need fancy graphics.

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14 minutes ago, makama80 said:

is raw CPU performance of the H5 comparable to the SOC's in the Tinker and ODROID XU-4

 

Not really. H5 is based on 'low-end' A53 cores while the Exynos in XU3/XU4 features 4 fast A15 cores on the big cluster and RK3288 comes with 4 fast A17 cores. They will outperform A53 cores easily even if H5 is able to be clocked up to 1.34GHz (OPi PC 2 or Prime, NanoPi NEO 2 is limited to 912 MHz due to missing voltage regulation).

 

You can search the forum for ssl speedtests (XU4 and RK3288 boards performing nearly identical but I'm not aware of numbers for OPi PC 2 or Prime) and maybe Igor can provide the output of '7zr b' for both OPi Prime (or PC 2) clocking above 1.3GHz and MiQi board?

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MiQi is currently on my table: stock settings and kernel 4.11

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7-Zip (A) 9.20  Copyright (c) 1999-2010 Igor Pavlov  2010-11-18
p7zip Version 9.20 (locale=en_US.UTF-8,Utf16=on,HugeFiles=on,4 CPUs)

RAM size:    2007 MB,  # CPU hardware threads:   4
RAM usage:    850 MB,  # Benchmark threads:      4

Dict        Compressing          |        Decompressing
      Speed Usage    R/U Rating  |    Speed Usage    R/U Rating
       KB/s     %   MIPS   MIPS  |     KB/s     %   MIPS   MIPS

22:     881   157    546    857  |    11645   143    736   1050
23:    1162   187    634   1184  |    19669   174   1034   1800
24:    1380   207    716   1484  |    15176   158    891   1408
25:    1281   188    779   1463  |    10996   143    724   1034
----------------------------------------------------------------
Avr:          185    669   1247               154    846   1323
Tot:          170    757   1285

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Igor said:

MiQi is currently on my table: stock settings and kernel 4.11

Thank you! So in 'active benchmarking' mode we discovered that there's something horribly wrong with our RK3288 images currently! ;)

 

Numbers are way too low (XU4 scores with 4966 vs. 2725 -- first number running on the big cluster, latter on the little, so MiQi must get close to or exceed 5000). Fortunately you submitted whole output so most probably there's something wrong with both cpufreq settings and DRAM bandwidth. Even a boring Pinebook scores higher:

 

ubuntu@pinebook:~$ 7za b

7-Zip (A) 9.20  Copyright (c) 1999-2010 Igor Pavlov  2010-11-18
p7zip Version 9.20 (locale=en_US.UTF-8,Utf16=on,HugeFiles=on,4 CPUs)

RAM size:    1989 MB,  # CPU hardware threads:   4
RAM usage:    850 MB,  # Benchmark threads:      4

Dict        Compressing          |        Decompressing
      Speed Usage    R/U Rating  |    Speed Usage    R/U Rating
       KB/s     %   MIPS   MIPS  |     KB/s     %   MIPS   MIPS

22:    1426   301    460   1388  |    41182   388    956   3715
23:    1392   302    469   1418  |    39675   389    934   3630
24:    1322   302    470   1422  |    39224   389    934   3639
25:    1282   310    472   1464  |    38254   389    925   3597
----------------------------------------------------------------
Avr:          304    468   1423               389    937   3645
Tot:          346    703   2534

 

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2 minutes ago, Igor said:

I'll rebuild image and check once again

 

Please look at the Usage percentage above. On a quad core CPU this should exceed 300% all the time otherwise it might be an indication that background/other jobs are running.

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I actually only rebooted and now it's fine:

RK3288 MiQi with 4.11

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RAM size:    2007 MB,  # CPU hardware threads:   4
RAM usage:    850 MB,  # Benchmark threads:      4

Dict        Compressing          |        Decompressing
      Speed Usage    R/U Rating  |    Speed Usage    R/U Rating
       KB/s     %   MIPS   MIPS  |     KB/s     %   MIPS   MIPS

22:    3037   312    947   2955  |    81018   399   1834   7309
23:    3559   329   1103   3626  |    79244   398   1824   7251
24:    3457   330   1125   3717  |    77525   397   1811   7192
25:    3372   331   1162   3850  |    76170   398   1801   7163
----------------------------------------------------------------
Avr:          326   1084   3537               398   1818   7229
Tot:          362   1451   5383

 

 

H5 OPi Prime with 4.10

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RAM size:    1996 MB,  # CPU hardware threads:   4
RAM usage:    850 MB,  # Benchmark threads:      4

Dict        Compressing          |        Decompressing
      Speed Usage    R/U Rating  |    Speed Usage    R/U Rating
       KB/s     %   MIPS   MIPS  |     KB/s     %   MIPS   MIPS

22:    1323   293    438   1287  |    42868   398    970   3867
23:    1520   296    522   1549  |    37047   395    857   3390
24:    1435   294    524   1543  |    35734   389    852   3315
25:    1361   294    528   1554  |    33456   391    804   3146
----------------------------------------------------------------
Avr:          295    503   1483               393    871   3429
Tot:          344    687   2456

 

 

x86 build server, stock Xenial with 4.4

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RAM size:   64297 MB,  # CPU hardware threads:  56
RAM usage:  11907 MB,  # Benchmark threads:     56

Dict        Compressing          |        Decompressing
      Speed Usage    R/U Rating  |    Speed Usage    R/U Rating
       KB/s     %   MIPS   MIPS  |     KB/s     %   MIPS   MIPS

22:   57764  3440   1633  56193  |  1019439  5122   1794  91901
23:   70063  4096   1742  71386  |  1004774  5128   1792  91895
24:   60005  3729   1730  64517  |   949887  4974   1771  88100
25:   42431  2586   1874  48447  |   944437  4971   1786  88787
----------------------------------------------------------------
Avr:         3463   1745  60136              5049   1786  90171
Tot:         4256   1765  75153

 

 

 

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Yes, MiQi/Tinkerboard numbers look fine now though OPi Prime's not (must get close to or even exceed 3000 when running with optimal settings).

 

BTW/Off-topic: Is your build server using E5-2695 or E5-2697?

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I am running Opi Prime on stock settings, built from sources one hour ago ... which numbers should be better? I ran again and it stays in the same range.

 

2 x E5-2683

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18 minutes ago, Igor said:

I am running Opi Prime on stock settings, built from sources one hour ago ... which numbers should be better?

 

Prime scores identical with Pinebook (tested again, this time two times to ensure the benchmark runs all the time with A64 just clocked with 1104 since slight throttling occured). So there's something wrong with cpufreq (H5 should be allowed to clock up to 1.34GHz). Anyway just to keep this in mind for those working on OPi PC2 or Prime right now: 7z/tinymembench numbers of Pinebook as reference (running at just 1.1GHz and using 2 GB LPDDR3) here: https://pastebin.com/rvrhevXr

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And this is a BeelinX2 using internal memory (nobody ask, but I like H3 SoC) and Legacy Desktop armbian:

manuti@beelinkx2:~$ 7za b

7-Zip (A) 9.20  Copyright (c) 1999-2010 Igor Pavlov  2010-11-18
p7zip Version 9.20 (locale=es_ES.UTF-8,Utf16=on,HugeFiles=on,4 CPUs)

RAM size:    1000 MB,  # CPU hardware threads:   4
RAM usage:    850 MB,  # Benchmark threads:      4

Dict        Compressing          |        Decompressing
      Speed Usage    R/U Rating  |    Speed Usage    R/U Rating
       KB/s     %   MIPS   MIPS  |     KB/s     %   MIPS   MIPS

22:    1379   301    445   1342  |    35621   393    816   3213
23:    1378   308    455   1404  |    34656   388    816   3171
24:    1354   317    459   1456  |    34350   391    815   3186
25:    1069   272    449   1221  |    31443   365    809   2956
----------------------------------------------------------------
Avr:          300    452   1356               384    814   3132
Tot:          342    633   2244

 

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