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Thank you for that. It seems like I thought it would be. Quite a bit faster than the NanoPi M4 @ 1.5-2Ghz, but no giant step. Temperatures seem very good, I wonder if they're using a fan. 52°C for cpu miner at 100% is good. In CPU-Miner it even beats the octa-core NanoPC T3+. This uses 100% of all cores. In 7-zip it does a bit worse than the NanoPC T3+. (Only decompression I use) But the T3+ has a higher percentage useage of the cores (795% of 800% - 543% of 600%). So actually they are about equal. That means that the N2 actually is faster than the T3+. T3+ uses 99% of it's cores, the N2 90%. So the (10254 / 100) * 90 = 9321.81 would the T3+ get with the same % useage as the N2. Compression numbers are more useless, only 625% of 800% vs 543% of 600%. So you can not use the totals in 7-zip. I find decompression the most value of 7-zip. Here a list with sbc's I've benchmarked. Note one benchmark says nothing. But you can get an idea with many.

Quote from the article. @balbes150 "A lot of clueless people (me included) think/thought heat would be rising. It doesn't, it just radiates in all directions while only hot/warm air rises. As such having the huge heatsink at the bottom isn't that much of an issue (personally tested with ODROID HC1 which uses exactly the same design of having the SoC on the bottom PCB side directly attached to a giant heatsink below" "Combining this huge heatsink with a cheap plastic cover creates a full enclosure able to efficiently dissipate the heat to the outside unlike RPi inspired 'cooling solutions' where the SoC is on the wrong PCB side and also inside the enclosure making efficient heat dissipation nearly impossible." @JMCC Thanks for the link.

It is already like that for a while. I for example can't upload any travel video's of mine if I put famous music onto it. It's blocked immediatly. Some artists do allow it, but you've got to know which ones. When there's money exchanged and 3rd partys earn, yes, Youtube must pay the content makes, since they create the revenue for Youtube. When cd's are sold, yes the artist must earn. But why should you have to pay for an mp3 what's just data. Nobody loses money and nobody gains money. When you play a gig, then the organiser earn money, so the musician should earn too. I do not agree with that. I find this counterproductive, and there so much abuse because of it. Products that are sold for 10x what's it worth. Certainly in medicine it's very bad. Pharma extorts people and goverments with medicine prices. Many times public money payed for the research, and universities done the work. Still the patent goes to some pharma company who missuses it. Knowledge should be public for everybody to know/learn. imo. .... I do not really get how you come upon that. I'm always nice to everybody even when opinions differ. I love to talk to people with another view. And politicians who call others stupid and blame everyone except themselfs for problems that don't even excist do get elected. We've got them in the Belgian goverment, and many other countries too. Like the orange man in the start of your last post. You can't make good compromises with extremists.

You are missing the LC_ALL=  I've had that too with other distro's. (FriendlyElec Lubuntu) I did this and it's fixed. sudo locale-gen "fr_FR.UTF-8" sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales sudo nano /etc/environment add -> LC_ALL="fr_FR.UTF-8"

I can't see any use for this law. Tech companies don't want it, the people don't want it. Only the politicians want it, why? So we wouldn't laugh with them anymore or what? No idea. I do not understand memes(maybe too old, or just too autistic to understand it), so I don't use it. So that's no problem for me.(I do think everybody must be free to do so) I'm a content creator and musician. I don't care my content and music is being used. My music is listened too in Russia, on sites where I didn't add it. No idea how, who and why it got there. But I don't care, I like it that people are interested in it. Nobody in Belgium is... My videos are copied to Chinese websites, I don't get views for that. I don't care. I think people are just too greedy, and think of rules how they can have more. You've seen it with the music business when MP3's became a thing. Miljionaires like Metallica who feared they'd have a million less, so they'd better sue Napster. For musicians who are not famous free music is the easiest way to be picked up. So they do better with mp3's and free music. I want money when I play live music, I think that's normal. But when music is played digitally, then I don't see how I could own that. Music must be free to listnen to for everybody in my opinion. It may not be something only for the "rich" who can pay for it. The same with all art/knowledge. In my opinion copyrights and patents are for the most very bad. They slow down/stop creativity, innovation, the growing of talent, .... But I'm mostly alone in most of my opinions, so they don't matter much... @chwe good read. Tnx for the info, I'm not very aware of all those things. PS. In Belgium we're bussy demonstrating for the climate, so it's up to the rest of Europe to demonstrate against this.

Here the FriendlyElec displays. https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=81

You can't use standard rpi displays. FriendlyElec sells displays for their boards. Read the wiki to know which is right for you. Why the nanopi m4? There are a lot more compact boards with mini hdmi that are 1/10th the size and weight of the NanoPi M4. FriendlyElec has got the NEO's are Fire's. All compact and very powerful. There's for example the Banana Pi M2 Zero. The same size as a raspberry pi zero, but with 4-cores. Maybe you are not choosing the right tool for the job. Is is for entertainment? Or do you want it to control things or so? The RK3399 needs a big heatsink to be able to have a good performance, so that add's a lot of weight. Otherwise you can run it underclocked a lot so it doesn't throttle.

May I know what reason? Seems a bit drastic to do. Are you sure you need to do this> You do realize you can use MIPI-DSI for a monitor?

That works great with Blender for 3d. My NanoPc T3+ is best for that. For big renders I've used the T3+, Tinker and Odroid C2 together. Still took a long time for 30 seconds of 3d video in 1080p(2d). But I wouldn't want my pc to be occupied for that long. So it's great to be able to do. But I don't use Blender that often anymore. It's more for video rendering with Kdenlive I use them(and many other things). Also when traveling I use it to edit/render my travel images and put it online. All with solar energy. sbc's are awesome for that. energy efficient but still very powerful. The C2 did 10minutes video in 720p in 55minutes rendering. The RK3399's do 10min in 1080p in 40minutes. So every step up in performance is great for me. Now I want 1440p with an SBC. But the N2 I'll probably never take along on trips. Too big and bulky, and i's not 5V. For now the RockPi4B is my first choice with RK3399 and 4GB lpddr4. Certainly the ram speed makes a big difference. The N2 will be for at home to offload render task from my pc, or to play games while my pc renders. And I need to be able to watch 4K h.256 since my pc can't handle it.(i5 2500K ->too old)

They've enabled it in Android a while ago. I think I red somewhere it was also enabled with FriendlyDesktop, but can't find it anymore. "18.2 2018-11-12 Android 8.1 update is as follows: 1) Add support for USB-C display"

Video output NanoPC T4 : HDMI: HDMI 2.0a, supports 4K@60Hz，HDCP 1.4/2.2 DP on Type-C: DisplayPort 1.2 Alt Mode on USB Type-C LCD Interface: one eDP 1.3（4-Lane，10.8Gbps）, one or two 4-Lane MIPI-DSI Video output NanoPi M4 : HDMI: HDMI 2.0a, supports 4K@60Hz，HDCP 1.4/2.2 one 4-Lane MIPI-DSI No DP... You can do dual screen with MIPI.

Some 7zip benchmarks. I always do this with all my sbc's, so I know how they compare to each other. Left they compare it with the N1( @balbes150 not my fault ) I look to decompression, the NanoPi M4 does this in betweeen 6500 and 8500(armhf no oc, arm64 with oc) The best I had until now for this task was the NanoPi T3+(8x1.4Ghz) reached 10100. That seems to be the result with the "default" clock of the N2. But with OC of 6x 2Ghz it even goes over 11000. All just numbers that I can't confirm if they've been generated right. But an indication of what we can expect. For this 7-zip benchmark the ram speed has no big influence. I would like to see what blender does. That's 100% cpu useage + ram speed. In Blender this will blow everything away(I think). I just got the new Pine H64 and the OPi3 on the way. So these will have to fill the hole this announcement has created. I'm just crazy about fast SoC's for rendering.

I do not think this is possible with the M4. With the T4 this should be possible over the USB-C. The M4 it's USB-C is over USB2. It's there mostly to power the board.

Try a USB3 hub. I've also had stabillity problems with multiple devices. A USB3 hub fixed it for me.

Rather both if I could choose Not much info to be found, I guess we'll have to wait for a datasheet. I wonder what the standard clocks are. Hardkernel likes to deviate from that. I agree it isn't a perfect sbc. But it's again a step up in performance. I hope the ARM community is still as strong as it once was for Odroid. It's been a while since they've needed to begin from scratch. But if I need to put a bet on one company to give great software. Then I'll bet on Odroid every time. We will have to see, but I'll surely buy it. It might be sufficient to replace my aging and power munching i5 2500K. (it can't play 4K H.265) The H2 is totally forgotten for me.

I don't fully agree. It would indeed have been better to see a comparison with a DDR4 RK3399. But what they tried to do is to show that this is a better choice for a next SBC to bring out than the unfortunate N1. So it shows why they went for something different. The biggest advantage with this board is that everything is on the top of the board and easily accessible. I also think it's best to have it on the underside. As long as you can keep it cool enough. I agree it can heat up the board. I once did a one hour trial with the NanoPi M4 while throttling with the big heatsink. The board started smelling burned. I'm not going to try it again. That's why you need to raise the heatsink so air can flow underneath it. Here I can follow. PCIe, M.2 or SATA would have been good. But for my use I don't need it. Non-standard eMMC modules? They've become the standard, didn't they? And they are among the fastest eMMC modules in SBC land. I've been using them for years and haven't had any problems. I now use them on my Rock Pi4B without any issues. I suspect they are down-clocking their A73 cores to 1.8Ghz so it wouldn't throttle in the temperature tests. I expect it will be able to run a lot higher, but it might need some beefy cooler to keep it cool. Just a guess. A73 should be able to do a lot more than that.

A good read. I've learned something. I didn't know the ethernet and usb share the same line. The thing is even crappier than I thought. I would also have complained (a lot) about their ancient ddr2 RAM chips. I find this the biggest flaw in the design of the 3B+. The SoC is so bottlenecked by this that even at OC of 1.5Ghz, it performs very badly on ram dependend tasks. The thing is just one collection of design flaws. I don't know what was going on while they were designing the 3B/3B+. They were clearly not concentrating on their work. Either they don't have good testers, or they just don't listen to their concerns. All these issues should have been fixed after the first tests. I still love my 2B, and still use it often. That's got advantages towards other sbc's(power efficient, no throttling, much more stable, ...) I still hope they're going to do better with the next one. But for now I'm going to use my RK3399's and dream of the Odroid N2. Great job, thanks.

Indeed. It's got some great advantages, but also some disadvantages. Only 1 USB3 root HUB. Powered with 7.5V-20V. But the Horsepowers, RAM, power consumption, will be unmatched. I already made a video about it. Here it is.

Hi all. As regular I was looking for news about a new Odroid. Finally the news arrived. The N2 will have the Amlogic S922X with 4xA73(@1.8Ghz) + 2xA53(@1.9Ghz), a Mali-G52 GPU and 4GB DDR4 RAM. Looks very promising. It should quite a bit faster than the RK3399's. It does have a giant heatsink, so this thing will get very hot I suppose. https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=176&t=33781&p=245930&hilit=n2#p245930 Please let me know what you all think of this. I find it very interesting. Greetings, NicoD

I would choose the NanoPi M4 with 4GB. It's the least trouble, en it's very well supported. As @Tido said. There's problems with the Tinker. I also got a broken one. HDMI doesn't work anymore, something burned out. How and why, I don't know. I bought a new one to never use since unstable and gets too hot. The XU4 was for long one of my favorites, but the M4 does everything that the XU4 did, and better. The XU4 also had some minor problems the M4 doesn't have. The M4 has better power with USB-C, the best heatsink so doesn't overheat quickly, the most ram, 64-bit, very very fast... The others have some of those characteristics, but none other has them all.

The RK3399 boards. They are among the fastest, and best for desktop use. They are also the best supported. I've got a NanoPi M4 and a Rock Pi 4B. (and 20 other sbc's) They just are the best, no doubt. They now support 4K video in Linux, it's great to watch youtube, very fast single core performance, ... I've got a Youtube channel where I review SBC's, also on their desktop capabillities. The software has improved a lot since my review videos of the M4 and RockPi4B. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpv7NFr0-9AB5xoklh3Snhg/videos

They're closed until the 13th. Maybe then it will be released. It's a long time ago I saw the first pictures of this hat from TK. So about time to release it. For now keep waiting.

I didn't notice that one. I knew there was an Rock64, but I didn't check it. There was even more stuff I didn't talk about. A tablet kind of thing, and another board with A64. I ordered the OPi3 on Friday cause I couldn't handle not being able to order the Pine H64 yet. But I still want the H64 so much. That form factor could replace many of my older/ancient devices. I'll have to see when I'll get it if it's all I imagine it to be. Could be my C2 still gives it a beating. I need passively cooled, light but fast.... The C2 still does this great at 1.75Ghz maxed without a fan. You've got to use the right tool for the job, so I've invented many jobs for my tools. In this video my RPi2b is used to record the sound, the Odroid C2 to check filmed images. And I had an RPi3b+ for gaming on the train. All a job well done. Of course 1 sbc could have done it all Cheers

Hi all. Last weekend PINE64 was on FOSDEM with many new products. The PineBook Pro with RK3399. The new designed PINE H64 with the H6, now with wifi on-board and a small form-factor. That one's comming out next week. The PinePhone. A prototype of the PinePhone with an A64 SoC and 2GB of RAM. The PineCam. A multi-funtional network camera. A new SNES case. Exciting times to come with all that. I've made a video about it all. You can see it here. Greetings, NicoD

You forget the "root" as first, then "1234" x2, then new password x2, then user name, then password for the user x2, then again user name, then 4x enter and then "y" I think that's the right order, I don't know why it asks for a phone number and a room number. Cheers