_r9

Moderators
  • Content Count

    12
  • Joined

  • Last visited


Reputation Activity

  1. Like
    _r9 reacted to Tido in rk3399 vs rockchip64 family   
    Could you name the two families?   And maybe say one or two words about your expectation about each. So, people know where you come from and what you are looking for.
     
  2. Like
    _r9 got a reaction from Tido in [Moderation] Dealing with subtle spammers placing "tiny little ads"   
    So I read through this thread and there are a few thoughts that came up.

    I believe when you want to solve a spam problem efficiently one needs to focus on the spam itself and not on the spammers.
    I'm dealing with lots of spam on my mailservers and manually blacklisting is the least efficient way to solve this problem. In my case 2000 - 10000 Spam mails a month.
    The main reasons why this is not a good practice are already described in a few posts inside this thread. Automated mail creation for example.

    So what are the real problems with spam posts?
    I think the most potential thread, if we focus on security, is that a user could get mislead to a dangerous URL.
    There is also the problem that the Armbian Forum could get misrelated to porn pages or other ugly stuff through google searching or other online indexes.
    Worst case would be if someone types porn stuff into the google search box and gets the Armbian forum as a result
    or someone finds a post that should help him and this post is full off ads. This would harm the forums image.

    So IMO the real problem is related to the URLs the spammers uses. So maybe there's a function like "URL registering"?
    So if a user wants to add a URL which is not known by Armbian he needs to register it with a small form or so and a moderator needs to approve the URL.
    Another concept could be that posts with unknown URLs needs to be approved even if they are changed after a while.
    So the system needs to run the approval recognition not only on new posts but on each change to.

    What's with the existing spam URLs?
    I don't know if such functions exists but if we could run through all posts with URLs (maybe inside the database) and disapprove all posts with unknown URLs then we have a list we can score.
    Moderators would need to approve all this posts again and register the URLs if they are valid. Maybe we should do this with a small amount of posts each.
    So we would need a function like "disapprove the first 100 posts with unknown URLs". May be we could assign each moderator a few posts automatically so he can approve 10 posts a week or so.
    11 Moderators would solve 110 posts a week. I don't know how big the problem is but the year has 52 weeks so we could to a lot of work without really doing anything.

    I'm absolutely new to this forum so maybe this is all nonsense but hiring volunteering spamfilters does not seem to be the smart way.

     
  3. Like
    _r9 reacted to Werner in Rename Supporter to Donator   
    Since - in my eyes - at least - there is a likelihood of confusion regarding the "Supporter" tag of members that actually (recurring) donating to the project. People could think "Supporter" means staff member that actually support people with their issues. The real staff rank, Moderator and Administrator to say, is "hidden" in their individual profiles. Since I like the idea of flat hierarchy I do not suggest to make the actual staff visible in forum postings but simply rename the Supporter to something like "Donator" to make it clear that these people donated to the project but are not necessarly involved into it.
     
    Tell me what you think,
  4. Like
    _r9 reacted to Igor in I want to help on the project. I really do.   
    Armbian is community driven open source project. To keep it relevant and up to date it needs maintenance round the clock. This work is done by a small amateur contributor force which was under-powered since early days and it still is. For most basic tasks!

    Any help is more then welcome.
     
    https://forum.armbian.com/staffapplications/ (what do we need) https://docs.armbian.com/Quick_facts/ (overview) https://www.armbian.com/get-involved/ (how-to contribute) https://github.com/armbian (sources for build engine, documentation, scripts) <---- <---- <---- Also refactoring, better wording, code cleanup.  
    General tips:
     
    plan to do things you understand.  expect little to no guidance. focus on common needs and forget what is important only to you. start small.
    If you still don't know how to start, attach your questions below in the topic.
  5. Like
    _r9 reacted to Igor in Orange Pi 4 (RK3399) doesn't boot   
    - which image exactly? (Link!)
    - how good is your power supply?
    - can you provide serial console logs?
     
     
    Me to. You are not reading and understanding what a label "for testing only" means. At this stage, we simply can't guarantee more than that. Besides, check software licence before complaining. Here is a quick summary how support goes: https://github.com/armbian/build#support We are not there yet, since this board is not supported yet. Will be soon, but right now, it is not.
     
    Edit: Moved to development forums since "Board not start" section is for stable builds only.
  6. Like
    _r9 got a reaction from JMCC in [Moderation] Dealing with subtle spammers placing "tiny little ads"   
    So I read through this thread and there are a few thoughts that came up.

    I believe when you want to solve a spam problem efficiently one needs to focus on the spam itself and not on the spammers.
    I'm dealing with lots of spam on my mailservers and manually blacklisting is the least efficient way to solve this problem. In my case 2000 - 10000 Spam mails a month.
    The main reasons why this is not a good practice are already described in a few posts inside this thread. Automated mail creation for example.

    So what are the real problems with spam posts?
    I think the most potential thread, if we focus on security, is that a user could get mislead to a dangerous URL.
    There is also the problem that the Armbian Forum could get misrelated to porn pages or other ugly stuff through google searching or other online indexes.
    Worst case would be if someone types porn stuff into the google search box and gets the Armbian forum as a result
    or someone finds a post that should help him and this post is full off ads. This would harm the forums image.

    So IMO the real problem is related to the URLs the spammers uses. So maybe there's a function like "URL registering"?
    So if a user wants to add a URL which is not known by Armbian he needs to register it with a small form or so and a moderator needs to approve the URL.
    Another concept could be that posts with unknown URLs needs to be approved even if they are changed after a while.
    So the system needs to run the approval recognition not only on new posts but on each change to.

    What's with the existing spam URLs?
    I don't know if such functions exists but if we could run through all posts with URLs (maybe inside the database) and disapprove all posts with unknown URLs then we have a list we can score.
    Moderators would need to approve all this posts again and register the URLs if they are valid. Maybe we should do this with a small amount of posts each.
    So we would need a function like "disapprove the first 100 posts with unknown URLs". May be we could assign each moderator a few posts automatically so he can approve 10 posts a week or so.
    11 Moderators would solve 110 posts a week. I don't know how big the problem is but the year has 52 weeks so we could to a lot of work without really doing anything.

    I'm absolutely new to this forum so maybe this is all nonsense but hiring volunteering spamfilters does not seem to be the smart way.

     
  7. Like
    _r9 reacted to Igor in Odroid C1 overlay.ko   
    We drop support for Odroid C1 due to not sufficient resources / help. Currently it doesn't compile so this job represent several days of R&D ...
  8. Like
    _r9 reacted to TRS-80 in Help Flagging Spam, Offtopic, etc.   
    Recently we been finding some very clever spammers who register, make some post(s) that sound at least somewhat on topic, and then come back days or even weeks (!) later and edit them in order to insert spam links. Some examples:
     

     
    Some times they put them alongside otherwise legitimate links:
     

     
    Other times, they sneak them into quotes or lists, etc.:
     

     
    Now, above examples have red background from being deleted (which is not how they will look to you normally) but you get the point.
     
    There is no way for us currently to detect this kind of spamming, without enacting draconian measures of moderation, which we are certainly not going to do. So instead we ask for your help. The only way to really find these is to happen upon them while browsing the forum. If you see one, please click on the little flag at the bottom and a Moderator will take care of it. It only takes 2 seconds, and you can help out in keeping the forums a nice and useful place.
     
    I also want to mention that something does not have to be Spam, or otherwise "bad" for you to Flag it. Anything that you feel deserves Moderator attention, such as off topic, or a diverging thread that needs to be split up into 2 or more separate topics, etc. can be Flagged.
     
    Any forum Member can do this, it requires no special permissions whatsoever.
     
    Thanks for your help!
     
    Note: This post is geared toward every Member / user of the forums. The corresponding post geared more toward Moderators about how to deal with these kind of posts (once Flagged) can now be found here.
     
  9. Like
    _r9 reacted to NicoD in Why my content need to be approved by a moderator?   
    That seems a very paradoxical question. To ask that question you have to first start writing a question, but the question you ask can't be written before you start asking a question.  It's like a new big bang is happening in my head.
    Welcome to the forum.
  10. Like
    _r9 reacted to lanefu in Help us test Armbian 20.02 RC1!   
    The first RC Images are out for Armbian 20.02.     We need your help testing Supported Boards for this release.   The download site is already configured for the RC1 images as the default download.  (We intend to improve this process in future releases, and provide separate download links.)
     
    Here's how to help:
     
    download and configure our testing tool (currently in alpha state) identify supported boards you have on our test tracking google sheet Run testing tool Perform any additional independent testing that you can Update test tracking google sheet with your results Please share major issues on our Armbian 20.02 (Chiru) Release Thread  
  11. Like
    _r9 reacted to TRS-80 in [Moderation] Better Using "Report this content" (Flagging) for Mentoring New Mods   
    A few of us have been experimenting with this the last week or so, seems to work well. But I wanted to bring this to the attention of all the rest of longer term Mods like @chwe @balbes150 @NicoD @TonyMac32 @JMCC (please tag any others I may have forgot) as well as site level Admin like @lanefu and of course @Igor.
     
    As a new Mod I often feel like a Level 1 Tech Support. Or perhaps better stated, "triage." Which I figure is our purpose, to "take care of" as many low hanging fruit as possible (or at least sort to correct place, maybe adjust title, tag, ask OP for further info, etc.), in order to free up time/attention of Devs and more experienced users. I try to take on as much as I can, but there are simply things I am unsure about (and from private discussions, I know other new Mods feel same). As our knowledge grows over time, we will be able to take on more and more. But I think we can slightly better use the tools this software already provides to help with this (IMO, some times necessary) mentoring process. I realize you guys are busy (hence need for Mods in first place) however...
     
    Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day,
    Teach a man to fish, and ...
     
    So I request to the more experienced Mods and Admins, please take few moments here and there to help teach us newer guys (when we need help) how to fish...
     
    But this post will also be for my fellow new Mods, as well ( @soerenderfor @Vanitarium @_r9 @jsfrederick , I went through Mod sign up thread already, but please tag any others I may have missed) so please, read on...
     
    Newer Mod (or even regular user) can click on little Flag at bottom of any post:

     
    And then enter some question what they need guidance about:
     

     
    Now this will show up to all other Moderators and site level Admin as little triangle in upper right corner:
     

     
    So far pretty simple, I am sure most of you are aware of this functionality already. Now this is what I propose to codify into some kind SOP:
     
    If we still require attention / advice of someone "higher up" then we leave Status as "New Report" (Flag logo):
     

     
    Once someone "higher up" replies, then they/we can change Status to "Under Review" (Triangle ! logo):
     

     
    Where we leave it until person originally raising the flag either:
    gets their answer, at which point they can Close the Report, requires further clarification, in which case they can change back to Flag to raise more attention  
    I think this is a good way of fast, easy triage and sorting, because:
    it does not pollute IRC or forum threads (and less airing of potentially "dirty laundry") relevant discussion is attached directly to the thread in question "higher experience level" (Mods, site level Admin) can immediately see filtered view of what might need their attention (Flag logo), without having to read all of forums, or even pay attention to Moderation discussions, where they are not needed. However at same time should they want, can also get quick overview of moderation advice being given by Mods to each other, and could add their 2 cents if disagree. "medium experience level" Mods can help mentor lower level, to extent they are able, already relieving some load off "higher level" people, while still asking some questions themselves "lower experience level" Mods (and even regular users for that matter, although unable to see discussion on the Mod side) can get their questions answered, receive mentoring from "medium and higher" level people, and thereby eventually progress upward Over time, this will also build a body of knowledge which new Mods can look through when they have time to get up to speed (similar to reviewing past Bans, etc.)  
    Do note that this entire proposal is only for the meta of Moderation questions themselves, i.e.:
    should this be moved to x sub-forum I am not sure this qualifies as violating rule # x etc.  
    If you think this is a good idea, please say so here, and/or just start fulfilling one of the roles "low, medium, high" as outlined above, befitting your experience level.
     
    I encourage any and all Mods to communicate with each other in this way, adding your $0.02 to whatever Mod discussion, where you feel it adds some value.
     
    Feedback on this idea also welcomed, of course.
  12. Like
    _r9 got a reaction from TRS-80 in Help on forum moderating   
    Hi Igor,
     
    it would be an honour to help you on your project. I highly respect this forum and I'm really interested in ARM Technologies and Debian based distributions. My hat's off to the guys at Armbian to manage a huge project like this
    Besides that I'm using SBCs for server solutions another attempt to get a deeper look into ARM technology was to deal with Banana Pi products on Amazon. This attempt cost me a lot of time and in the end I almost lost my company too. The product line of SinoVoip or Bipai Keji (HK) Limited got messier each month. After they fired my main supporter anything got worse. Since then I'm seeking for a new opportunity for my company to get a footstep into the ARM world. Especially the Armbian Forum.
     
    I ceased the Amazon sales last week. Therefore I have a few hours left each week for a new project. So the time would be perfect to support an opensource project. If you're interested, I'd looking forward to get to know each other on the Armbian Forum.
    What might interests you as well is that I worked as a first level supporter, almost for elder people, for 3 years. So I know my place if something gets out of control and people gets angry or confused.

    The only problem I may see is if you need moderators with short reaction times or too much hours each day. I think I can handle work like once, maybe twice, a day for something around an hour or so - 12/5.

    I'm looking forward to read you
    Best Regards, _r9
     
  13. Like
    _r9 reacted to TRS-80 in [Moderation] Resources, Tips, Guidance   
    Rather than pollute the other thread, I figured I would create a new one here.
     
    As a few of us just became moderators at the same time, perhaps we can help each other out learning.
     
    So far I found the following resources helpful:
     
    House Rules:
    Armbian Guidelines - An overview of subforum organization / "where to post."
    Armbian Registration Terms - Very brief few rules.
    Moderator Duties - Moderator duties described in role application
    Do not censor posts
    Only Edit User posts for formatting
    Only delete post if empty, by request of creator, or if post is 100% spam
     
    Forum Software
    This forum software is called "Invision Community."
    Documentation - Particularly the "Staff and Moderation" topics part way down on the left look helpful:
    Saved Actions Moderating content Moderator and Admin logs The Moderator CP Warnings & Restrictions  
    Questions
    From comments in other thread, seems like most of us have moderated other places before. If you come up on a post or situation you are unsure of, ask in here, we can help each other out. Then we are building also a sort of base of institutional knowledge for others to follow later.
     
    IRC
    I would also encourage everyone (not just Moderators, we are all just community members, too) to hang out in our IRC channel which is #armbian on Freenode. It is still unofficial, but we are actively working on (re?)taking control of it.
  14. Like
    _r9 reacted to Igor in [Moderation] Resources, Tips, Guidance   
    I have to clarify why we don't run proper public bug collection software. Linux (distribution) is a huge collection of 3rd party software and most of the reported bugs has absolutely nothing to do with our work - it is extremely hard, stupid and simply resources are not there to cover that. This is responsibility of their authors and that must be properly communicated - we are educating users all the time not to blame us if some freely available opensource package / application (which is part of the system we distribute) is not working. Free support A support that we are paying for users can come only in as is way while people expect somebody is looking into their case like when they purchase some product - its simply a matter of habit. Here, we can't do this way. We can't fix their generic problems or solve their, sometimes extremely complicated problems, nor be a middle man between them and a 3rd party software or hardware maker. Operation is simply too costly to sponsor.

    Support for Armbian should always start with the documentation, proceeded by search and if they really can't work this out ... raise a question. Hopefully to already opened topic. In ideal world  
     
    On the other hand there are just a few people that contribute on the project which creates added value which distinguish us from a generic Linux distro. We would simply drown in a list of unrelated bugs. This can only expand frustration.

    That's why this forum is more like a bug listening platform. We see where problems are and fix (critical) if possible. Once there will be several millions of EUR / year we will be able to have 10-15 full timers to cover support. Then we will open a bug collection software and cover support as pro. If we want to get there, its a long (and IHMO wrong) way.

    Bottom up. Many things exists with a reason and I will try to clarify when possible. Other regulars are doing it as well.
     
    Thank you for your patience.
  15. Like
    _r9 reacted to Igor in [Moderation] Resources, Tips, Guidance   
    Another hint for new moderators:
     
    When a person paste wall of text, we edit text and put it under the spoilers (eye) or inside code <> + (eye) spoilers
     

    I also do that quite often. And note that under "edit reasons".
  16. Like
    _r9 reacted to Igor in [Moderation] Resources, Tips, Guidance   
    ... moderators to look from users perspective and make forum a better place for us - users of this forum. With resources that are available. You can't answer technical questions, but you can merge two questions about the same problems into one - not for past year, but perhaps for one month, most recent ones. What is the gain of this? Questions are found easier, there are less doubled ones, higher chances that they are addressed and you save time to all of us. Our general work, which you are about to support, does exactly that. It saves all of us time and effort. You don't need to fix many troubles with the system/kernel on your own before starting to use it for some project ... we do that for you/users.
     
    I don't expect concrete ideas for organisational changes today, nor next week. You need to be focused to "how to clean up forum" for longer time. Some forum sections are also more active than the others - they need different approach. Organise your work & write it down to rule out as much confusion as possible. Which you already started https://forum.armbian.com/topic/12757-moderator-resources-tips-qa-etc/ ? (probably there those few posts shell also be moved)
     
     
  17. Like
    _r9 reacted to Igor in Help on forum moderating   
    Thank you! For this and for your help in the past.
     
     
    I don't know if we are generally there yet, but forum ( and me) is getting out of control from time to time. That's my observation, which could be wrong. 
     
     
    We need reinforcements, otherwise it will remain as is not so good. Hopefully more people will step up since it will be easier for everyone and the only way to keep forum readable, conduct some minimal policy and trying to improve forums on a long run. We want as flat structure as possible - being a moderator should be technical not a political function to limit our power games. Armbian is a technical forum - we don't delete content, but merge, move, reorganise. We ban bots that breaks automated spam machine, we don't ban people unless idiot level is obvious, but warn users when derived from https://forum.armbian.com/terms and https://forum.armbian.com/guidelines
     
    Mistakes will be done on both sides. Which is normal and expected.

    People that have moderators rights and are relatively active are: @NicoD @JMCC @chwe @TonyMac32 @balbes150 @lanefu 
     
    Any objections, otherwise welcome!
     
    Inactive: @pfeerick @Xalius @StuxNet (and will be removed shortly if no response)
  18. Like
    _r9 reacted to martinayotte in use f2fs on sdcard   
    I doubt it can be done easily : U-Boot is not aware of F2FS, so it requires that at least the /boot folder to be located in EXT4 or FAT partition.
    What you can do is to manually shrink the ROOTFS partition and then add a new partition that you will format as F2FS.
    Then, you can transfer ROOTFS contain to new F2FS partition using tools such "rsync" or "tar|tar", and leave the /boot folder, adjust both /boot/armbianEnv.txt and /etc/fstab to point ROOTFS to the new F2FS.
  19. Like
    _r9 got a reaction from JMCC in Help on forum moderating   
    Hi Igor,
     
    it would be an honour to help you on your project. I highly respect this forum and I'm really interested in ARM Technologies and Debian based distributions. My hat's off to the guys at Armbian to manage a huge project like this
    Besides that I'm using SBCs for server solutions another attempt to get a deeper look into ARM technology was to deal with Banana Pi products on Amazon. This attempt cost me a lot of time and in the end I almost lost my company too. The product line of SinoVoip or Bipai Keji (HK) Limited got messier each month. After they fired my main supporter anything got worse. Since then I'm seeking for a new opportunity for my company to get a footstep into the ARM world. Especially the Armbian Forum.
     
    I ceased the Amazon sales last week. Therefore I have a few hours left each week for a new project. So the time would be perfect to support an opensource project. If you're interested, I'd looking forward to get to know each other on the Armbian Forum.
    What might interests you as well is that I worked as a first level supporter, almost for elder people, for 3 years. So I know my place if something gets out of control and people gets angry or confused.

    The only problem I may see is if you need moderators with short reaction times or too much hours each day. I think I can handle work like once, maybe twice, a day for something around an hour or so - 12/5.

    I'm looking forward to read you
    Best Regards, _r9
     
  20. Like
    _r9 got a reaction from balbes150 in Help on forum moderating   
    Hi Igor,
     
    it would be an honour to help you on your project. I highly respect this forum and I'm really interested in ARM Technologies and Debian based distributions. My hat's off to the guys at Armbian to manage a huge project like this
    Besides that I'm using SBCs for server solutions another attempt to get a deeper look into ARM technology was to deal with Banana Pi products on Amazon. This attempt cost me a lot of time and in the end I almost lost my company too. The product line of SinoVoip or Bipai Keji (HK) Limited got messier each month. After they fired my main supporter anything got worse. Since then I'm seeking for a new opportunity for my company to get a footstep into the ARM world. Especially the Armbian Forum.
     
    I ceased the Amazon sales last week. Therefore I have a few hours left each week for a new project. So the time would be perfect to support an opensource project. If you're interested, I'd looking forward to get to know each other on the Armbian Forum.
    What might interests you as well is that I worked as a first level supporter, almost for elder people, for 3 years. So I know my place if something gets out of control and people gets angry or confused.

    The only problem I may see is if you need moderators with short reaction times or too much hours each day. I think I can handle work like once, maybe twice, a day for something around an hour or so - 12/5.

    I'm looking forward to read you
    Best Regards, _r9
     
  21. Like
    _r9 reacted to Igor in Updated build script targets   
    Enabled kernel 5.4.y / on:
     
    - sunxi/sunxi64 dev (+ u-boot 2019.10)
    - imx6 current
    - mvebu64 dev
    - meson64 dev
     
    Will also available in 6 - 8h in beta repository if building on all targets succeeds. 

    Only for experimenting - no end user support.
  22. Like
    _r9 reacted to Igor in Added Debian buster preview for Teres   
    ... which is delivered in parts
     
     
     
     
  23. Like
    _r9 reacted to Igor in Forum upgrade planned for May 2nd   
    Updated to 4.4.6.
    https://invisioncommunity.com/release-notes/446-r87/
  24. Like
    _r9 reacted to Igor in Forum upgrade planned for May 2nd   
    Updated to 4.4.5
    https://invisioncommunity.com/release-notes/445-r86/
  25. Like
    _r9 reacted to Igor in Forum upgrade planned for May 2nd   
    Cosmetic issues may appear during the procedure and fixing them might take from hours to days.
     
    Starting early in the morning, backup late in the evening CET.

    Upgrade from v4.3.6 -> 4.4.3

    What's new:
    https://invisioncommunity.com/release-notes/440-r81/
    https://invisioncommunity.com/release-notes/441-r82/
    https://invisioncommunity.com/release-notes/442-r83/
    https://invisioncommunity.com/release-notes/443-r84/