Igor

In past 8 years we were more or less their software team if you haven't figured that out. We didn't have issues with that, they tried to cover that. We helped them and relationship was o.k. until greed took over. Just like in this attempt to abuse the project resource more efficient. We are helping you, while you never asked how we feel about and how we can pay the bills of damages you make to the project or if we perhaps need something. A way to eat food while doing this? We were driving their software support for many years, for a tiny fraction - i never wanted to go to close - of what they would need to pay for one person. Theirs I never met. We are significantly sponsoring their business and problem started when they tried to control us. At some point they said our work, which was "paid" with donation was just not good enough and we have do it better ... WTF? While their hardware, that is on the market, keep making us damages every single day (this is our fault, just saying). Remember, other party in this sick game, end user, doesn't pay neither. This CSC / Support / * status is just one of desperate attempts to draw a line. This line is commonly abused and it doesn't work for us, so we will change this strategy. Remember, this is to protect maintainers from abuse from users and contributors. You often don't know what we can do and where capacity of our integration ends. Below you can see one example as story. Frustrated users doesn't read or care if its supported or not supported. They keep applying pressure to this forum, on private channels, anywhere possible. And when I use force to remove someone, I am worse person around. And I feel that way to. Its emotional burden of this job. This was developed by @jernej and his part was probably also not paid by anyone. We did integration as this is what we often do. We received nothing from anyone to integrate this. We might get some donation from people that report this problem more then a year ago and were blocked by contributing their board to Armbian. How it went? We started dealing with this problem about a year ago. To make story short, without reworking all this code it was impossible to support Orangepi 3LTS and boards with internal nic and audio as AC200 can be set this way or another ... I won't go into details as it can take hours. We started this project several times and each time I had to review & refresh the code provided by him, met with him in person, exchange several emails, talk with other people that were involved. Conduct professional development as we used to do. My attempt was often broken by some violence from users or vendor side. Certain type of abuse require my intervention and dealing with all sorts of sh* its breaking those cycles all the time. At one point I figured out many many other things need to be fixed before we can start dealing with this problem. Then i realized our Allwinner team started to fall apart and there is nothing we can do. I had to invest time to poke the dead horses back into action. We had several meetings, we were begging people to test as my device is broken, thanks to help of testing of @Tenkawa and help of many other people we resolved remaining dependencies and last week @Gunjan Gupta was finally able to make a tested PR on the topic. It feels sick how much time we lost to resolve this problem, but has to be resolved as certain boards were not been able to add. We lost hundreds of hours and we have hard limitations how much hours we can spent. This is something we will never allow you to have control over. Or worse. To capitalist that is flooding you with free PCB so you ...

How to make it clear. Armbian project is small. Too small. We don't have much resources, we are all fully over-stressed running on backup but you don't care to hear. You just want to have the same or better service, while contributing with ideas. We only have few dedicated and precious individuals, who do everything for other 1000 that contributes here and there and for those that are terrible stupid and are making damages to our project and open source at large. We are abused from Chinese capitalists on one side and their buyers (you) on the other side. It is fine if we can find a way to work together, but 0.5%, which is your financial input to this project, can and must be ignored each time you ask for something. I have expressed this too many times and you (as everyone) keep coming up with ideas what we should improve and provide. Why don't you give one month of your personal payroll on the table before asking me to put mine for you. Why do you expect I will be gambling for you in a "business" where loss is secured. Just how big is unknown. My biggest loss is communication which is why I usually tell people to fuck of so they stop asking question. Most of people that are reaching out to me or to project are seeking ways to profit, save time or just abuse. I simply can't afford to have discussion with all of them. I also have no interest and can't afford to invest my personal money into your idea, but can perhaps do it for compensation if there will be no better offer for our services. But there are enough alternative to consider. I left security of my well paid corporate job, which was by far biggest sponsor of Armbian and subsequently Orangepi PCB maker, and now I waste all days just to keep this at this level. None of the subject from this topic is helping resolving much if any of common problems. They always cared on their problems with as minimum input as possible. Armbian team also never had a single cent of budget to deal with Chinese capitalists buyers and their problems. Being polite to "customers" that can easily make us 1000 USD loss ob every 1 USD we receive from them is terrible bad. Telling you this costed several hours of calming down to be able to respond in a polite professional manner from sick and twisted relationship you are here eager to extend and upgrade ... Your requests without financial backing are just one of those ideas which are killing this place which we spent years to build. We have some interest, but absolutely no resources to share with you or any budget to pay people to work more in 3rd party interest. Neither of you are paying "electricity" needed to run this project. I project interest is to carefully pick hardware we will invest into. I know it is hard for anyone to understand but I am pretty sure we lost more then 500.000 USD with Zero series so far. And you are both coming into this discussion without any cash. No offence, I understand you desire and I support your idea with one eye, just there is nothing I can do to help. We have to stay sane.

I lost more then 5 hours on an attempt to answer to this question. Its better to stop without answering, sorry.

Did you run apt update before? https://github.com/armbian/os/actions/runs/6267098519/workflow This script checks and remove dead mirrors. https://github.com/armbian/os#latest-smoke-tests-results And here are automated tests which are switching kernels from repositories and reboots each time. Both shows not issues.

Every SoC family (can) boot different. Dealing with custom designed hardware, which we are dealing here, is incomparable more complex then Linux in standard PC world. And its not just booting that is different.

All Linux distributions "supports" those boards once somebody ported this and that HW on particular Linux distro. This is the happy part, contributed by end user and thus cheap for everyone. Maintainace, keeping devices up and running long after this happy event, is something entirely different. In just about every release we lost hundreds of hours to keep devices operational. If we can't secure people to keep level how we understand support, things are declared as (Linux) community supported. This is still a lot better then generic support as a lot of our support still find the way to community targets. As it was already mentioned, its a grey zone. We can't really declare as "abandoned" or "eos" neither as we have competitors which doesn't have any troubles "supporting" HW while relying around 90-100% on our support system. In several occasions we had a clash with 3rd party users demanding (!) to fix some issues with officially unsupported targets. If its unsupported, we can deny support request without any additional lost of time. People takes this much better, in close to 100% of cases, this answers is accepted and for those few predators, rules anyway never works. Those has to be stopped by force. Keep in mind that time we lost for supporting you is almost 100% our private expenses. We are a small project, so are donations. This is best effort support and somehow we have to try to protect from abuse that is coming from constantly hunger consumers. tl;dr; You never get less support then any other Linux, just how to communicate this better?

Dear Mark. You are using unsupported kernel, which is fragile and very expensive to support and we have very negative budget to assist you. This is open source and not a single information you are asking for is hidden. If you need guidance, we can sell it to you, but if you can't cover time we will lost to gain nothing, you need to use your own. Topic was moved from supported area as what you are asking is simply not supported. This way we limit damages you are making to us.

Yes, network breaking came with some of recent upstream "improvements". Last 5.15.y could also break ... a version or two back.

Use sudo next time. BTW. Fixed images are already uploaded while package update will follow shortly.

You forgot one thing. Those OS variants are not comparable in many critical components. Factory OS that are provided by HW vendor is often presentation grade. Good enough for YT presenters to promote their HW while is otherwise forgotten and virtually unmaintained. We are the only one that are maintaing this. Other distros do this very little or not at all. Armbian does not provide 32bit userland (for 64b hw) as it adds complexity (for maintainers which are the most critical resource for you) and saves very little. In case you want a real deal, dedicate few weeks / months and bring up this feature withing build system. If enough people will be happy to justify this. Low memory 64bit system are dying out ...

Contact people that sold you this device and software pack. It has nothing to do with Armbian. It was just assembled with our tools ...

This is the link to subscription. Also buy few screens and send to us. Then ask a question again.

Install new image that will be released this week.

Yes. Check /etc/default/armbian-ramlog

Ubuntu is Debian based so there must be some leftovers. Download Ubuntu kinetic for PC and check this file.

untested https://imola.armbian.com/dl/orangepi3b/archive/

@Stoven @jock We were moving servers around and forgot about https://users.armbian.com Fixed.

One of mirrors must be out of sync. We are working on to improve this ...

Keep in mind that you are smearing people that have nothing but costs dealing with you and hardware you want to use. Without our work, you would stuck on some old kernel forever while they would keep selling you more and more with as cheap software support as possible. We give you software that gets regular updates (now for about 10 years) and eyes to see. Here you can apologize and here you can help with your share of 0.5% of costs we get covered by random public. Also this work gets to other Linux distributions. There is no bug without logs. People that will perhaps bump into this topic has to understand what you are talking about without plugging hw - that you have to earn. There are older images in the archive. Use them.

https://www.armbian.com/orange-pi-plus-2/ You have this board? If you use some other randome image that sounds compatible, it is expected that something, like USB, won't be working. We would like keep enabled all those devices, but its simply not realistic. There are too many of them and every device represent endless loss of time without any compensation. It also keep prolonging already long build cycles. I have re-enabled generating images but can't tell when they will be on ... https://github.com/armbian/os/commit/49591e9ce3098366684efe27af57b0200799a1f3

Fixed.

There are indeed serious issues, but not in the code base. We will discuss this matter, but certainly not this year.

We did some experiments for a client with Khadas Vim3l but we didn't proceed far due lack of funding. Remember that this is on experimental level and can't be used in production. Many standard features (such as video out) are missing in this (custom) kernel. Its not something you download, install and forget about. Not sure if we can support you in any way ... but you raise your chances if you support the project. Status with other SoCs related to this feature is unknown to me. On paper they all support everything ...

This is expected for this world. We primarily deal with hard problems & development is pain and suffering. Coding style does not have any significant impact on what you are mentioning. We are not responsible if bringing up some weird proprietary device is a collection of hacks. Rather focus in reverse engineering so hacks won't be needed. Yes, that will be very hard too, but nobody is forcing you to do this. Armbian don't need this, but if you want to submit a PR to Armbian, you need to adopt to our coding & writing style as its insulting to expect project will adopt to yours even you are on "industry standard" quality BASH porn. Once again as you don't get it - code is liability first and its not on author to self decide if it can be classified as a project asset. Regardless of your idea, education or manipulation used to get attention. We are not on their level, they are not on ours. Every project is unique and always has different set of problems addressed by limited resources. I see you don't even try to understand any of. Copy / pasting or suggesting principles is simple, while implementing and keeping them function is completely different level. This whole "suggestions" forum has ideas that needs millions to finance, while we only receive about 0.5% of compensation for what we do without including your suggestions. For completing requests projects would need many additional project leaders and many additional staff to start leading them ... But you don't care about that small problem, you just want perfection to be done at once and you demand we pay for it with money we don't have. Hear how stupid all this sounds. Perhaps this visual representation will help you to understand where your idea is - there are at least this many people with good intentions as you can see on this picture (alongside with those blurred ones) that wants to enforce their ideas or extract some value (hey, please fix this!) without giving anything in return. As you can see its crowded and there is very small listening or executing capacity. It will take some time before your idea came from the last in the line to the place where that idea could be heard. Please don't shout over other people as you are doing now - stop reaching out to people that keeps this place together several times per day. It is impolite and has to be sanctioned because of other people that stay in the line trying to help or cheer us. Contribution to open source projects starts when you understand its needs not about you having fun with what we are providing. Or not having it. We have our own coding style. It is not the best, its not the worse, but its ours. If you are opening a PR to the project, you simply need to met those requirements. If you don't respect that, you can work on fork whatever you want. This is how open source projects function.