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MathiasRenner

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23 hours ago, Tido said:

However, comparing a Porsche and a Dacia  (XU4 vs RPi) 

 

 

Hehehehe...  - a snobbish opinion, good luck with the nose high!

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Hehehehe...  - a snobbish opinion, good luck with the nose high!
A realistic one performance wise I'm afraid. More (and faster) ram, more (and faster) processor cores, more bandwidth (anything with more than 1 USB port has more available bandwidth than an RPi), more GPU... I could go on. The RPi is a wonderful teaching tool and toy. Thankfully it was successful, the single board computers that existed before it we're a bit more expensive, and didn't get the press coverage, but we're also far more industrial in nature.

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On 5/14/2019 at 10:20 PM, Tido said:

However, comparing a Porsche and a Dacia  (XU4 vs RPi) 

 

 

That's right Porsche is expensive and only for rich people.
But Dacia will also lead you to the finish, maybe not as fast as Porsche but still, not only a Porsche creates a million kilometer, Skoda fabia too :-)

Is a thing how you look at it.

 

 

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That's right Porsche is expensive and only for rich people.
But Dacia will also lead you to the finish, maybe not as fast as Porsche but still, not only a Porsche creates a million kilometer, Skoda fabia too :-)
Is a thing how you look at it.
 
 
An RPi is not

1) reliable
2) the most cost-effective
3) worth $35
4) worth any more discussion.

The position of this project stands, we will not support a failure prone, insecure, underperforming, inefficient, abysmally bandwidth throttled device. If an RPi 4 comes out that uses a sane bootloader and a useful SoC then this can be revisited.

Do not continue your personal argument with Tido; it is not value-added, and your positions add nothing other than conflict. Mostly because you have no facts or reason for your position, and instead of trying to formulate something approaching a case for support resort to ad hominem attacks and downright inaccuracies. This is an unofficial warning to stop harassing the team because you aren't getting your way. The next will be official.

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On 6/5/2019 at 1:12 AM, TonyMac32 said:

The next will be official.

I see some decent moderator skills here... @Igor @lanefu we should change his official title here.. :lol::ph34r:

 

btw. if this thread goes back and forth.. I'll simply close it until the first iteration of a not VC4 based RPi is out (or someone wrote a bootloader which allows to boot without binaries provided by the foundation :lol:).

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@TonyMac32

who do you Think You Are?
Who had the right to remind me?
In the forum one discusses and the Tido had grinned me first.
If you think I'm only concerned with Raspberry's you're wrong. I also use Nanopi M4 as a NAS server and am very satisfied with it.
My initial question was just to see if it was Armbian OS for Raspberry Pi, but was attacked by you that Raspberry Pi is not worth coping with.
Raspberry Pi is probably for what it was thought was still suitable, as long as you do not shoot with the machine gun on sparrows :-)

 

Thanks for the attention

and sorry for Google-English

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On 6/8/2019 at 3:55 PM, Aux said:

who do you Think You Are?

one of the maintainer of this project (dealing with rockchip and amlogic)?

 

On 6/8/2019 at 3:55 PM, Aux said:

Who had the right to remind me?
In the forum one discusses and the Tido had grinned me first.

Who has not the right to remind you that the discussion is pointless? The decision that current RPis are note supported by armbian was made a long time ago and it still stands. And for the who started first on throwing dirt to each other here doesn't matter to me.. If it's not working on a acceptable level I'll simply end it (without needing dirt.. but with something I don't like, means closing the thread).

 

On 6/8/2019 at 3:55 PM, Aux said:

My initial question was just to see if it was Armbian OS for Raspberry Pi, but was attacked by you that Raspberry Pi is not worth coping with.

and if you go through this whole thread.. You get some 'objective' and probably also a lot of subjective answers to that.. And just a last one.. Guess what happens if a platform gets added in which no developer has an interest in? Exactly, nobody cares about enhancing the support for it.. Means spending hours of hours of their spare time to make things better, following upstream to pick up stuff like this: https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/5/20/431 integrate it and test if it solves the crippled mailbox system the RPi has? Dealing with the blob bootloader the RPi needs and check after every update of this blob if the new one behaves similar or if they add new thermal throttling behavior which was barley annotated when the RPi3b+ came out? This stuff needs time. It's not only adding a few lines to the buildscript and you're done.. And further Pi1 and Zero is ARMv6, pi 2 is ARMv7 and some ARMv8, pi3 is ARMv8. By default we provide userspace matching to CPU architecture.. It will be a nightmare to explain again and again (and again) that a RPi2 image might not work on a RPi3. That by using RPi3 a bunch of the things which make the Pi useful (e.g. the decoder stuff) might not work cause all the userspace stuff isn't armhf on armbian for 64bit CPUs.

 

With Raspian, there's a decent image out for RPis, it gets updates it supports the hardware. It's not armbian but also a debian derivative. And if, for whatever reason you want a Armbian userspace but don't want to deal with kernel work nor bootloader etc. @tkaiser provides a OS layer to frankenstein a 'Armbian on RPi' together (https://github.com/ThomasKaiser/OMV_for_Raspberries). And if you want to deal with kernel as well.. Fork armbian, add the needed configs for kernel bootloader etc. Glue everything together and deal with the FAT partition the RPi needs for its bootloader (basically the buildscript should allow such FAT partitions). Find a suitable Kernel (probably the one RPi provides on their GitHub - or if you really want to deal with it.. go for a mainline) and craft your own image, based on armbians buildscript (it's on github, everyone can fork it). But don't expect that someone does the work for you especially if those people are simply not interested in the currently available iterations of the RPi. 

And don't expect as well that they always take as much time as I took this time to explain it again and again, when someone shows up complaining that we don't provide Armbian for RPi... I needed a break from writing serious stuff.. :lol:

 

 

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Many Thanks @chwe


That was the best answer I have received here so far.
Why not immediately so that you understand it correctly?  :)
Of course, this raises a different view of RPi!

 

Thanks again for the explanation!

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52 minutes ago, Aux said:

That was the best answer I have received here so far.
Why not immediately so that you understand it correctly?  :)

 

 

hmm..

 

the bits to grap this information are here and there.. ;) It needs time to summarize them.. It's mostly a boring task to summarize them, and it comes with *random board*... It's not only the RPi which some random people would like to see supported.. And normally it comes with.. why is *random board* not supported not, based on my attempts, *random board* could be an new interesting platform to support, this, this and this is currently working, here there and there I'm struggling to get things working, I would like to share my work and hope that you can give me some hints to fix them..

 

Good examples how things can go in the right direction:

 

and a few others (shamelessly I would say that the mt7623 platform bring up thread of mine is also a good one, even when things are on hold since a long time).

 

 

It's a time vs. worthiness decision and @TonyMac32 decided to keep it short (which is completely fine, I would do it as well if I wouldn't need a break from thesis writing.. :lol:)

54 minutes ago, Aux said:

Of course, this raises a different view of RPi!

not really, there are still cases where the RPi shines. It's not as expensive, it's available more or less everywhere.. so if you need a board immediately it might be worth to think about the RPi as well. I've one on my own for a camera related project, where the power is sufficient.. I've set 2-3 up for projects of colleagues.. They can't manage them on their own, and I don't want to deal with those boards anymore.. So an RPi is a save bet.. I can setup a crontab for updates (so that it's not one of those sloppy IoT devices used in botnets - or at least not more than the other RPis around the world) and if they mess up things I've a bash scripts which modifies their 'default raspbian' to their needs (there's absolutely nothing fancy at their needs, it could probably be solved with a ESP8266). I didn't want to wait until another boards makes it through customs and fear that I've to pay some additional taxes.. So going to the next local store, buying a RPi and the most ugly case I could find and a reliable SD-Card and everyone was fine. The Pi is Ok and has its value.. generally spoken it's just not attractive to the developers here, therefore they spend their time on stuff they're interested in.

 

 

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Maybe, maybe not. If their CompaTability nonsense can simply be ignored, and the ARM cores are in control, then yes. If VC6 is running the show, it is the same. :-/

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